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More BBC bias.

Todays story on huge levels of non-repayment of student loans totally fails to mention this:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/820072/Scandal-foreign-EU-students-owe-Britain-1-2-BILLION-student-loans-university

Note: I dont have a lot of confidence in the Express but their report is backed-up by the Times although they last mentioned it in 2016 so their figures are lower.

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13 hours ago, Andyww said:

Todays story on huge levels of non-repayment of student loans

We can thank Blair for this.  I remember this discussion well, "you'll earn more so you'll be able to pay it back."  What a twat.

 

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All business leaders only promote self-interest. What’s best for their business is apparently best for everyone else. Branson says Remain is best because it means cheaper holidays and more business for Virgin. Dyson says Leave is best because he makes all his appliances in Asia and he’s hoping to sell them to us tariff-free. They’re even worse than the politicians when it comes to promoting their propaganda.

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There is another reason for Dyson hating the EU. They implemented a maximum power consumption of vacuum cleaners and they set the figure at exactly the highest one produced by any German manufacturer. His came in higher so he had to re-design to reduce the power, but that reduces the suction.

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He could hate them because they are a bunch of corrupt unelected dirtbags


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Well exactly. They have a record of only supporting German industry. Another example of this is we pay much higher pricing for solar PV panels from China as there is a regulated min import price which is to protect German companies.

An immediate effect of a no deal would be 20% cheaper solar power.

 

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That’ll be the various German pv panel manufacturers.

whats conveniently missing is that there are no PV solar cell fab factories in Germany. These are nearly all in India, China or Korea and imported into Germany - then stuck in a frame with a bit of glass and a big made in Germany sticker whopped on it


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6 minutes ago, Barrykearley said:

That’ll be the various German pv panel manufacturers.

whats conveniently missing is that there are no PV solar cell fab factories in Germany. These are nearly all in India, China or Korea and imported into Germany - then stuck in a frame with a bit of glass and a big made in Germany sticker whopped on it

Yes, I just found that the last company in question, SolarWorld, did go out of business last year. So all the price fixing didnt actually work. In fact this approach never does. 

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Not sure on the provenance of this info.....

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria

but I wouldn't be surprised...

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Ahh but we are simply spreading the socialist love 💕 

its all gonna end soon hopefully


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Very few like the deal we have.  What deal should we have?  Shouldn't we pay those things we committed to pay for, providing we get from those things that which we should do as a contributor?  What should we do about EU nationals living here and British living in the EU?  What should the deal be, ideally?


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9 hours ago, USAndretti42 said:

Very few like the deal we have.  What deal should we have?  Shouldn't we pay those things we committed to pay for, providing we get from those things that which we should do as a contributor?  What should we do about EU nationals living here and British living in the EU?  What should the deal be, ideally?

Deal? 

I voted leave. I can remember the government propaganda that was delivered through my door - and voted on that basis.

out means out - an end to tariffs and an end to EU meddling in our economy 

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We're already spending plenty of any potential EU contribution savings on an additional 20,000 of our own civil service bureaucrats, according to BBC website. As I have already stated, the civil service will be one of the big winners from this.

Plenty of extra staff have been recruited across government departments to deal with the challenges of Brexit.

"We have hired about 10,000 people so far," John Manzoni, the chief executive of the civil service told the House of Commons Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee last week. "There are about another 5,000 in the pipeline and there are probably another 5,000 to come, in the event of a disorderly exit."

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I'd much rather spend it on nurses, police, armed forces, etc than more bureaucrats. Do we really need 20,000 more of them? As a comparison both the RAF and the Royal Navy only employ 30,000 people each as it stands.

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I would expect the vast majority are internal recruitment posts so, it will not be possible to put in such a large number of new posts from outside the civil service in such a short space of time. It is likely to be more of an exercise in accountancy than a true mass external recruitment drive.

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