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1 hour ago, pickle said:

Has anyone driven, viewed or collected a 410 this weekend that we can talk about? 

Hi Pickle - yes but not far as am waiting for 1st service on Monday and don't want to push the miles until it is done. It's sat just looking pretty for now but will write some more thoughts and get some pics next week ?

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Colin P:

I don't regularly check Victory in Princeton or the dealer in Boston unless I expect to be in the area.  When I have checked, there was no inventory.  Tried checking today after your message, but their site is down for maintenance or something.

Love to know where your brother goes for servicing in the DC area

Thanks

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@RJB Thanks, it's great to share the experience of 410 ownership to some extent through reading your posts. Pictures are always appreciated too:takingaphoto:

I'm intrigued to hear your thoughts on whether the charges to the 410 over the 400 have compromised it at all as a pure road car. My 400 is my daily and I suppose that some would consider this compromised when compared to a hatch or SUV, but I am more than happy living without multiple cupholders or the ability to put my dogs in the boot (I suppose I could still technically do this but it's not advisable:P) for what I get in return. If the 410 offered additional dynamic improvement and a greater feeling of 'specialness' I'd be happy to live with more NVH or a harsher ride. 

I have little or no interest in taking my car on track, so if that's the only place that the improvements are felt then the 410 is probably not for me.

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I don't think the changes to the 410 (vs 400) have compromised the 410 being a road car at all - in fact, I think they have enhanced them.  Road holding is improved over the 400, but it never feels harsh at all, in fact it feels very well sprung.  This is no Exige, which can feel harsh at times.  I have bought mine as a road car, I doubt I'll ever take on track.  My impression is that it isn't intended to be a track car - if you want track car, you buy an Exige.  The 410 is just a more bespoke/special 400.

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@pickle within the Garage I used to park my car 2 years ago there often was a 997 GT3 ownwe that put his (large) dog in the seatless back of his car, with a big pillow......seems to work :-)

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@JT73

Would be interesting to hear how the Cup tires cope with "the real world", would be glad if you could comment on this after some miles - Thanks in advance!

 

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Certainly will when I've put some decent miles on them (grip and wear wise!).  So far, they seem super grippy, even in the wet (which surprised me).  Not sure I will venture out in the snow in them this week...

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@JT73 seems like a 410 will be firmly on my shortlist when the time comes. :). Maybe they'll have brought out a targa version by then....

@Snoopy1969 I used to take my old lurcher out in my v220. He used to sit in the passenger seat strapped in with a harness. I would get plenty of attention like that. Maybe I should explore options with my current hounds - turn them into petrolheads

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52 minutes ago, JT73 said:

Certainly will when I've put some decent miles on them (grip and wear wise!).  So far, they seem super grippy, even in the wet (which surprised me).  Not sure I will venture out in the snow in them this week...

I'm also keen to know about the Cup2.

I need to replace a rear tyre on my 400 (punctured) and it's £200 for a rear or £980 for a set of Cup2s. So toying with replacing all Pilot Super Sports with Cup2s.

I could then keep the MPSS as spares until a Cup2 could be fitted.


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For a road car, not sure I'd want the Cup 2s... That being said I think those are probably the major difference with the 410. That and the seats.


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The MP4S is NOT a replacement for MPSS.

I've seen this mentioned elsewhere and it's simply not true.


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hmmm I take it back, there is a pilot sport 4 and a pilot sport 4s.

the MPS4S does say it's the Pilot Super Sport plus Cup2 innovations...

Might have to take a look.


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I always assumed that an S in an acronym stood for 'sport', e.g. RS. Does that mean the mps4s is a pilot sport 4 sport? Two sports must make for a very good tyre :)

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Looks like the Pilot Sport 4 S is the replacement for the PSS

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Michelin-Pilot-Sport-4-S-Press-Release.htm


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yup, was coming back to post same review/press release James.

So do I hold on and replace my MPSS with a set of MPS4s? Or just replace the one dodgy MPSS? or do I go to Cup2s? #FWP


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Personally I would replace the one MPSS with another Super Sport. When the time comes, replace all round with PS 4 S.

My car is coming up for 11,000 miles, including one track day. My fronts feel like they are brand new and I reckon I've got at least another 11,000 from my rears. I am very impressed.

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3 hours ago, JayEmm said:

For a road car, not sure I'd want the Cup 2s... That being said I think those are probably the major difference with the 410. That and the seats.

I would like to know how a 400 compares to a 410 with the same tires, I believe they would be very tight - in other words: most of us would not be able to drive significantly faster with a 410.

That doesn´t matter at the end of the day (for me), I really like the 410 but I am not sure if the premium that has to be paid for is in any way justified (esp if you consider that a slightly used, MCL MP4 12 in Continental Europe costs only some Grand more than a new 410 with airco and SatNav for example) A 410 costs ca 30.000 € more than a new Evora S in 2012 (in Germany) ......hmmmm.......not mentioning that with the introduction of the S SR the Price even dropped...........

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@JayEmm given the issues you've had did you worry about doing a track day invalidating your new car warranty? I know Lotus don't seem to hide behind this, but my owners handbook says it is a road going passenger vehicle and track use will invalidate the new car warranty.

To be honest I was surprised to see it written so explicitly (in capitals!) when they sell the cars as vehicles that can be used on track. I expect several of you will tell me this is just for extreme circumstances, but that's not what the owners manual says. I wonder if the same text is in the 311 owners manual.

Out of interest do any of you know of warranties being invalidated by track use, either with a Lotus or another brand?

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@Danelaw I was very curious about track use, I read the manual and the way it was worded to mean basically said "Take it on the track, no warranty for you"

However, when I had my first service it comes with a letter from Lotus saying "you CAN take it on track, but no timed laps or racing". They've not given me any issues with it having been on track.

I'd be more worried about buying an ex-demo car because they won't have been properly run in (or you can't guarantee it) - Lotus can pull the engine records and if they were having a bad day they might hold that against you

@Snoopy1969 over here the cheapest LHD McLaren 12c is still £30K more than an Evora 410

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