Evora Sport 410

[JayEmm 1,271]

Every one except the blue one at Silverstone. That's mine;)

[The Pits 4,405]

No-one here believes every product Lotus releases is perfect.

Read the articles, threads and posts, there's plenty of criticism in there if that's what's what anyone's looking for.

Really winds me up this idea that TLF doesn't do criticism.

[Cypriot 92]

I will say what I said when I first drove the 410: the 410 feels like a very different car from the moment you first start rolling compared to a 400. Forget performance, there isn't much between them. To say that the 410 is pointless on the basis that is doesn't move performance on enough is like saying the mclaren 570s is pointless as it's not really that much faster than the 570gt.  They aren't though, as they are very different handling cars. I think this point is the one thing overlooked in james' video, and what many people will struggle to grasp unless they drive a 400 and 410 back to back. The 410 may not crush a 400 round a track/road, but the guy behind the wheel of the 410 will definitely have a more involving drive, if a bit bumpier! That is the crucial difference to me, not the performance. Both great cars, and both have their place. 

[Trevsked 765]

You get it, as do I but it seems James misses the point unfortunately. Like you, the first few hundred metres were immediately different for me over the standard 400, the 410 just felt more eager and less like a GT.

 

Trevor.

[C8RKH 5,725]

I think the issue is if you've recently shelled out on a 400 you will likely not appreciate fully the subtle advances of the 410 so will be in danger of not seeing the value. After all, your newish 400 is the best Evora....

I had the same problem believe it or not with the S1 to 400 move. I just could not see and still don't how the 400 was worth more than 2x my S1 NA.  Take away the fact the 400 was a new car, there was just not enough of a difference for ME.

I'm attracted to the 410 as even though it is more expensive the car looks more focused and sharper, to ME.  I am yearning for a 410 ( though 430/450bhp for the same money as a 410 and I'd be in one already!) because it is not a 400. All joking apart, when I am in MY mid engined sports car, MY toy, I don't want to see little seats in the rear view mirror.  I like the thought of squeezing my lardy arse into the carbon bucket seats. Ideally I'd like a harness too. For me, when settling into a 410 I'd feel like Jim Clark or Fittipaldi ( obviously without the talent and skill). I can feel myself smiling now at the thought of it. Me, the 410, the bareness of it. The rising expectation as I reach for the starter button. Knowing how my current Evora makes me feel I know tge 410 woukd be worth it. I can't properly explain it, but the 410 excites me. Stirs me. Etc.

The 400 is a great car. I am not dissing it. But with it's creature comforts and buttons and gadgets it just feels like a mass produced, excellent sports car. It is what most Audi RS and Porsche owners want. Not every Porsche owner wants an RS or GT3. They WANT the mainstream plush well equipped experience. The 400 delivers that in spades.

Sorry if this is not helping. My current Evora delights me. The 410 excites me. It is not a rational state but it is how I feel or react when I see them.

Thanks.

[Trevsked 765]

Good post, that's exactly the point of the 410.

 

Trevor.

 

 

[Inkyfingers 88]

7 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

It is not a rational state

This is the crux of it.

We're all Lotus fans, but often for very different reasons.

[JayEmm 1,271]

Curious you think that @C8RKH - I have always felt the S1 Evora feels considerably plusher than the later items.The ride in those is pure magic.

[C8RKH 5,725]

I think the S1 feels special @JayEmm. The S1 is more bespoke design, more handbuilt, more custom. The leather. The brushed metal. it just feels more haute! It just feels really special, to ME. 

The 400 is plusher. More finished product in a swish more modern mainstream way.  I truly believe the interior revamp of the 400 was to bring it closer to the Audi RS / Porsche philosophy, product, and experience.

The S1 to me is a classic piece of art. A Van gogh. A Monet. Hugely accomplished and expertly executed.

The 400 is a Tracey Emine. A Damian Hurst. A modern, efficient, slightly more clinical but nevertheless excellent piece.

Sorry. Probably now moving into the "he's talking bollocks" domain. But hopefully you get my drift.

[JayEmm 1,271]

I do. It's no secret at all that I want to move my 400 closer to the 410's philosophy, and many of the tweaks are easily done. New seats already in and working wonders, back seats are in the bin.

Next time I get the geo done I will move to the 410 setup and see how that changes things, it is nice to test each difference "in isolation".

I also would like to put a harness bar in the back of the car eventually, and I really quite like the Schroth harnesses Lotus use, really nice, very high quality and easy to use.

A power upgrade is also quite necessary, having been fortunate enough to drive an Evora with the Swindon engine in, those feel incredibly special and IMHO what the Evora "S" should have been.

[CocoPops 827]

It's quite an emotive topic, is this one

For me... The 410 isn't enough. For me, the Evora has to be 2+2, otherwise I'd buy an Exige. For me, the 410 isn't enough of a performance hike. For me, the 400 seems a better proposition. For me, I'd like to buy the 410 bootlid for my 400.

And that's just it, 'For me...'

I can't dictate whether someone wants a 410 or a 380Cup, but £ for £, I'd have the 380 Cup I think over a 410 Evora... but if the 410 Evora was a 2+2 then it would be a true no brainer. I'd buy a 410... IF I didn't own a 400.

[Buddsy 1,554]

23 hours ago, The Pits said:

Surely it would have been cheaper for them to produce a 1400kg Evora '430'? Simple remap.

I think if that were possible it would appeal to quite a few people.

 

buddsy

[JayEmm 1,271]

I have spoken to the factory before and whilst they can produce a 450bhp Evora in their sleep, there are a lot of economic and practical realities preventing that from being the case... for now.

[mik 374]

My (unfounded) impression is the gearbox is the limiting factor. Not a lotus item of course - bought from Toyota and I get the impression that the are only warrantied for around 302lbs.ft.

If lotus want to put more torque through it, then they'll need to pick up the warranty themselves. 

When the 410 was released the spec sheet quoted max torque of 302lbs.ft. Same as the 400. Until I pointed out the engine has to be making at least 307lbs.ft to make 410PS at the states rpm. At which point the spec sheet was changed to max torque of 307.....

[Bibs 10,583]

The deal with Lotus & Toyota doesn't involved any sort of warranty. They limit the power to protect their own warranty budget, Toyota don't contribute at all. 

[mik 374]

That blows that theory then 

[JayEmm 1,271]

What @Bibs says is what I have also understood from my interactions with the factory. Unless they receive something clearly defective, Toyota don't have any sort of responsibility.

The issues they have usually related to emissions,budget,etc... This is why engines are so expensive to make now, with dieselgate things are only getting more difficult too

[Gashead1105 297]

On 2017-6-6 at 19:36, JayEmm said:

I expect in countries where modifications are difficult or illegal, and the Elise/Exige unavailable, the 410 might make perfect sense

I haven't watched the video or anything like that, but I think this is the point. When it was first announced my immediate thought was that it was primarily for the US market, and I still think that's the case.I'd love to have a go in one of course...

[Bibs 10,583]

[The Pits 4,405]

Oh heck I had a feeling it would look good in MG. It's going to go so well with the carbon. Off to Howards Lotus's website. I may be some time.... please let it not have a stereo!

[CocoPops 827]

6 minutes ago, The Pits said:

Oh heck I had a feeling it would look good in MG. It's going to go so well with the carbon. Off to Howards Lotus's website. I may be some time.... please let it not have a stereo!

 you know full well it's going to be fully spec'd

[The Pits 4,405]

Utterly gorgeous colour for a 410.

But, yes, predictably fully stereo'd up. The word 'sub-woofer' just is a passion killer for me in a 410's description.

Shame, Howards are really speccing some nice colours at the moment. I couldn't drive around in a Porsche coloured Lotus but, in isolation, that purple looks great too.

[mik 374]

Ooh yeah - that is lovely 

[Evo400 11]

The fire red one at Silverstone would be my pick.  I would need to paint the wheels black though. 

[JayEmm 1,271]

Fire Red @ Silverstone looks great. I saw a half-finished Military Grey car at Hethel today, not my cup of tea but I can see why people like it.

Also saw the Trebor soft-mint Cup 250. Gonna take some more convincing on that one.

Personally I like seeing the cars wear colours from German marques. I see it as a bit of fun.