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Hi. Just trying to work out how to balance doing some diy servicing vs having it done at a specialist. I'll be doing around 1000 miles per year in '85 Turbo. 

The main pro for diy is cost saving as well as the satisfaction of working and maintaining your own car but the downside is the lack of a stamp in the service book. I'm thinking a diy basic A type service at 12 months then get a B or C service at a specialist at 24 month intervals and have the cambelt done at the same time.

The other possibilty is that for a 31 year old car the A,B,C type services no longer apply and every 2 years have a specialist do the cambelt and any other aspects that are required due to elapsed time as the mileage will be minimal, as well as diy oil change etc every 12 months.

How do you deal with your servicing?

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I think it depends on how competent you are and how long you want to keep the car for.

if you are very and you are going to keep forever do everything.  If you think you might sell in a couple of years the more you get done by lotus garage the easier it will be to sell/get highest price.

you could do a better job than a garage maintaining the car but the truth is some people will be deterred by the lack of documentation and having to trust a seller who may have a vested interest in selling his car as well as selling his handy work on the spanners.

you could also get lucky and find someone who pays you the right price and it's no issue but if you want to play the averages getting more done at an official dealer will mean more enquiries and less chance of negotiation.

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It's simple here in Australia. Cos there are no Lotus specialists where I live, I do all the basic services every 12 months.  Anything beyond my mechanical expertise gets taken down to my local repairer and for cam belts, an 'English Car' specialist replaces mine every 10 years.  Where I live is a mild dry climate (no cold / hot cycles like I was having in the UK) and mileage is pretty low.  

Simon  (94 S4)      My Esprit will be for sale in late 2017

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DIY if you can then you know how its been done. I have had "specialist" work done a few times and never been happy with the quality.   Emperors new clothes springs to mind some times. 

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DIY on everything here, and I keep a meticulous record. I have the full service schedule on an Excel sheet with tabs so I can print it at A4 and tick it off at every service and include notes for parts used, part numbers etc and they tie up with the receipts.

I'll also make notes if I notice that I'll need to do something in the future.

If I ever sold my car, I'd expect a thorough inspection which will back up the work I've done.

Next job for winter..... engine out, cam belt, clutch, manifold, top end rebuild and gearbox 3rd gear sync....... that's going to be a long ass document.

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I do all my own work, that way I know it's done properly, and I record all the parts and work I've done, and if there's something wrong, I keep at it until it's fixed.

Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't automatically seek out a garage-maintained car if I were buying another Esprit. Garages cannot afford to spend the kind of time I believe the cars need to keep them in good, reliable running order. In any case there are no Esprit specialists around these parts that I would trust.

Watford Exotics aside.

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Probably the longer I own the car and learn how to maintain and fix it'll move towards diy. If I can balance that with a 2 or 3 yearly service at a garage to get a stamp then that probably gives the best of both.

I do like your spreadsheet though Daniel and I'm sure that'll hold up to scrutiny well if and when a car is for sale.

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Dont think stamps in a handbook will make to much difference to value in a 30 y/o car.   Actual condition is king.   I do absolutely everything myself (except specialist jobs such as checking wheel alignment/machining).   Cant recall having a single advisory in 19 years of ownership.    

TBH - The main pro for me is knowing its been done properly and if it isn't, there's only one person to blame!

 

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Well that's the difference between doing something because you want it done or thinking how your car might be perceived if you decide to sell it. 

If your never going to sell it do it yourself if your not concerned about maximizing sale price do it your self.

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I think many here will testify to the fact that a stamped book doesn't necessarily mean the car has been maintained well.  I've seen numerous disasters.

I too use a spreadsheet to record everything I do to my Esprit.  When (if?) I do come to sell, the lack of 'formal' history for the last several years will have little effect on the price.  And any difference will be mightily offset by DIY savings.

British Fart to Florida, Nude to New York, Dunce to Denmark, Numpty to Newfoundland.  And Shitfaced Silly Sod to Sweden.

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I am not saying you aren't doing a better job than the specialists or so called experts but I am saying that you are risking people not enquiring or if they do having something to negotiate over.

you have to not only convince a buyer of how great your car is but also how good a mechanic you are and they in turn have to be able to persuade someone how good a mechanic you are when they come to sell the car.

you might get lucky and sell your car for a great price and quickly but you might miss purchasers or have someone negotiating with you over it.

as for the saving on diy and intimate knowledge of your car these are 2 big plus points if you are skilled as i presume you are Gary.

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Kinell.  Was it a Lotus specialist?  Did they (unnecessarily) pull the engine?

British Fart to Florida, Nude to New York, Dunce to Denmark, Numpty to Newfoundland.  And Shitfaced Silly Sod to Sweden.

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Just looked at my numbers for the last 6 years.  I do all the work myself and I refuse to skimp on parts.

C service x3, battery, alternator, pads all round, all new lamps & brackets, window/door/sunroof seals, all ABS wheel sensors, wastegate capsule, chassis coolant pipes repaired, fuel vent pipes, rear dampers, clutch, flywheel regrind, cylinder head off (& skimmed) to repair studs, Alunox manifold (£1300 alone), gear translator, chargecooler pump, wiper motor, new discs & pads all round (today, if I get my arse into gear), numerous other jobs too small to mention - and spent only £600 more than the clutch/flywheel job in Ian's history.

As I see it, I'd virtually have to give the car away for free to lose on the deal.

British Fart to Florida, Nude to New York, Dunce to Denmark, Numpty to Newfoundland.  And Shitfaced Silly Sod to Sweden.

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DIY + meticulous record keeping + photographs on the SE. I daresay it'll be a shitload more valuable to the next owner (after my passing, of course) than a stamp in a book without any kind of protocol.

As for the V8....well Specialist. But my "specialist" goes above and beyond the call of duty. He won't stand for ANYTHING on the V8 being out of place. I sent it in for a B service, ended up getting that, a repaired wing mirror, a new (and height-fettled) roof seal so my composite roof would sit right, and god knows how many other small fixes done. And he keeps meticulous records.

So if you know the latter kind of OCD-specialist, go for it. But there's nothing quite like working on your own car. It's almost more satisfying than driving it.  

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There is obviously a significant difference in having any stamp in your service book plus receipts to support or some one like Gerald turner at gst looking after your car. 

An owner who knows what they are doing and loves his car is obviously going to do a better more careful job than taking it into a garage whose only motivation is what he is earning and how quickly he can get your car out of the way.  That is an extreme example of both situations though and there are a lot of home mechanics who aren't as skilled or as passionate as the guys on here and there are some renowned specialists who do care and do a great job admittedly they are few and far between.

the difference is if you are working only on your own car, you have to demonstrate in some cases again only when you are selling your car that you are super capable and how good your car is and again this is only if you are playing the averages as this might not happen and someone could come along not want to see any history and buy your car for top money.

 

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