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Shipping cars unseen from the USA has been big business especially from California where they dont rust. I know someone who has imported multiple cars in one go, unseen. The Esprit is an unusually easy car to convert to RHD.

But I suspect the recent plunge in the GBP against USD has wiped out the cost advantage. I would suspect this business has come to a sudden halt.

 

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7 minutes ago, Straightbend said:

This is the first I have heard of cars not rusting in California. It surprises me. I know they don't need salt on the streets but they have an ocean and that normally means rust as well. What is the catch?

Do you have any idea of shipping costs?

Thanks Andy.

I dont think you are thinking straight. California is 1.7 times the size of the UK. What proportion of this area would you expect to be within, say, 1 mile of the ocean which is on the West coast only? You might as well say that cars in the UK rust because the UK is near the sea.

Florida is also a good source.

I can ask my mate about shipping costs next time I speak to him.

 

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27 minutes ago, Buddsy said:

Heres a thought. If you want an early G car but would be happy with the S3 more modern running gear, but you like the early Stephens cars why not just buy an early Stephens and leave it at that? They are possibly the cheapest Esprit's and have evolved further than the G cars.

Good Stephens in original condition are bound to be a good bet if you ask me. Im sure a cracking one could be picked up cheaper than any of the shanagins you have been talking about over your threads.

 

Buddsy

What shanagins are those?

Like I said, eventually I may have to gravitate to a Stevens. But I have not lost hope yet. We will see.

 

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24 minutes ago, Andyww said:

I dont think you are thinking straight. California is 1.7 times the size of the UK. What proportion of this area would you expect to be within, say, 1 mile of the ocean which is on the West coast only? You might as well say that cars in the UK rust because the UK is near the sea.

Florida is also a good source.

I can ask my mate about shipping costs next time I speak to him.

 

Yeah that makes sense. It's easy to forget how huge the U.S. is and that most states there are larger than any given European country.

Although with Esprits which have the galvanized chassis, rust is not much of a worry at all is it, since the body itself is glassfiber?

That would be great if you could ask him about the shipping costs. Thanks.

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Salt by itself won't rust a car, not in any kind of appreciable time. It needs water to create a solution and then, and especially when you bring a charge to the equation, rust happens at speed. The Californian cars are largely (but not 100%) rust free because the climate is far dryer than these parts. By the by zinc degrades just the same as everything else, it just takes a long time because like aluminium its oxidised material forms a barrier. A good galvanising job is generally thought to be good for 40 years before it might need redoing, so just cause an S3 has a galvanised chassis, doesn't mean it'll last for ever or should be neglected.

I tried to bring in a classic powerboat from California some years back. It was oversized so the cost won't compare but from past research for cars you're probably looking at £1500-£2k and import duties/levees may or may not be on top, UK dockside. Using a specialised handling service is the way to go. There are regs that require cars to be made safe for freight, fluids drained, batteries removed, containerised etc, and some cases the service is RO-RO so if the vehicle can't be moved under its own steam they don't want it on their dock. Lastly, at least when I was looking at this, insurance wasn't a matter of course with the service. I was told that if my cargo was stacked on top (which it had to be, being oversized) they wouldn't insure me for loss. Containers are washed off ships all the time, and there's no recourse unless you have specific insurance.

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40 minutes ago, Straightbend said:

 

Although with Esprits which have the galvanized chassis, rust is not much of a worry at all is it, since the body itself is glassfiber?

 

Its certainly less of a worry than most cars. But on the other hand, you should see the Corvette my friend imported from CA. Its a 70's car which looks brand new despite not having any restoration. There is no rust or corrosion on any part of it including everything in the engine bay, suspension etc. Incidentally there is a picture of this car next to mine in the Esprit Pictures thread. I wish I had a picture of the engine bay and underside, its incredible.

Californians who post pictures of the undersides of their cars on Ferrarichat also show cars which look brand new. Its a whole other world regarding deterioration (or lack of) of cars.

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There are also a few unscrupulous dealers who sell Californian cars that have only actually been in the state for a short time. I know somebody who was caught out by this and he also got a lot of pet cockroaches that he didn't bargain for too!! 

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Lotus Esprit [meaning] a 1:1 scale Airfix kit with a propensity to catch fire

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On 12/10/2016 at 09:33, Straightbend said:

Hey, thanks for the link. How do you chaps dig up this stuff? :)

What about this one then... http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/5802638197.html

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Say (conservatively) you struck a deal for $5k even. You could potentially have it on your doorstep in the UK/Ireland for £6k stg. or even less all in.

An S1 Esprit for £6k, say that out loud.

It's probably on its way here already. 

 

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19 hours ago, GTK said:

Say (conservatively) you struck a deal for $5k even. You could potentially have it on your doorstep in the UK/Ireland for £6k stg. or even less all in.

An S1 Esprit for £6k, say that out loud.

It's probably on its way here already. 

 

Looks like it's sold as the advert seems to have gone - that didn't take long!

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57 minutes ago, Straightbend said:

Maybe you should have private messaged me the link.:D

 

Aren't you getting email notifications of posts here?

Hemmings seems to have some of the classified market and there's also a U.S. Autotrader. I've forgotten, why aren't the Turbo projects on ebay UK appealing? Considering your so hands on I'd have thought the black one is a likely candidate. At least you could actually view the car before putting money down. Nothing like seeing a car in the flesh to help with decisions, not least because a fist full of notes waved under a sellers nose can work wonders.

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1 hour ago, Straightbend said:

Maybe you should have private messaged me the link.:D

I quoted your post so you would have had a notification?

There are cheap cars here and in the US but you have to be quick. I know somebody who bought a dismantled UK S1 for £2,500 not so long ago which was on eBay as just a chassis but when he got there the rest of the car was scattered around the barn.

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I believe the bodies from S1 > S3 and S3 turbo are dimensionally the same with no fundamental shape changes.

There was various talk that the body shell of Turbo Prototype MPW71V had started life as a red S2. I found this out when I was researching the prototypes back in the early 90s. MPW71V was red underneath around the front section where the body saddles over the front cross member.

Detail changes such as the hand slot for the tail gate on S3 came in on very late S3 models both my early S3s do not have this.. Again the blending of the base of the A pillars only came in on late S3 models. S3 NA cars also have a different sill profile from S1 / S2.

Interesting if you look at the rear lower body in the engine bay of early S3s they have molded arches in board of the wheel arches on both sides, This arch is used on the N/S of the S3 Turbo for the exhaust to exit however it features on both sides. MPW71V had its O/S arch cut out the same as the N/S which was utilised for the other bank of cylinders exhaust when it was used as a test vehicle for the all Lotus 4 litre V8.

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