910Esprit Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 Did you consider DaKa's brand new HC DHLA 45's he's currently got for sale? I'll be really interested to see how you get on with new set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusfab Posted April 3 Author Report Share Posted April 3 No, didn’t know he had some for sale. I will let you know exactly what jetting it ends up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusfab Posted April 3 Author Report Share Posted April 3 I will post all of the jetting info in detail. I have heard some of the professionals say they have never been able to get rid of stumbles on some cars. I am pretty determined to make this car drive perfectly. Reading about the Dellortos the stumble is a common problem. People who keep going with the jetting seem to achieve good results. I have been thinking of changing the pump jet to a smaller size and increasing the delivery volume. I think this would sustain the extra full burst for longer as the HC pump jet is a 35 and not a 48 H. This is something I think I will leave until the results of the idle jet/idle jet holder and smaller choke are known and understood. I think I will stick with these carbs initially, but if I cannot perfect the car with them I will look at other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJ Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, Lotusfab said: NB - I passed my MOT yesterday and he was very impressed with the emissions readings until we spotted the probe had fallen out half way through the test! At my MOT last December Gerald said that tester commented that the emissions were better than a lot of modern cars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdoom Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 This : https://vintagetechnologygarage.groups.io/g/sidedraft The host, Keith Frank, is a man of high technical capacity who's been exhaustively analysing carbs of the sort for many years. He has emulsion tubes for the Dellorto's which, as with those he's done for the DCOE's, quite transform the roll-on behaviour. His products have been widely lauded, and his analysis of what actually occurs within the subsystems ( circuits ) is quite illuminating. Cheers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 As long as we talk about a set of original OZ Futura Modular, which was made specifically for the Esprit and also other cars, say big Mercedes and others, the wheel's individual parts are made from an center 5 spoke star, an inner drum and an outer lip. All bolted together with a various number of bolts, depending on wheel diameter. Those bolts are locked with nuts on the inner drum's rearside, and loctited. A bead of sealant is then laid in the center cavity that is between the three main pars, once bolted up in the factory. Same is done if you do them yourself. The procedure of tightening is described on my own thread. Completely done, balanced, and works perfectly. The star are the most important part. The outer lips and inner drums can be bought either from OZ second hand wheels, or as copies from other brands, such as Felgenfuchs, and their aluminium outer lips or same in radinox stainless steel. Despite me moving up in width, the completed wheel with it's 315 tyre, is still lighter than for example another Lotus original wheel, such as AWI Monobloc. I used well proven bouble and acid free sealant. Running these wheels gives the Esprit (1989 onwards; not 1988 because it's got smaller wheel arches), an enormous mechanical grip. It's very noticable, and is glues to the road. Kind regards, Jacques 2 Quote Nobody does it better - than Lotus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusfab Posted April 5 Author Report Share Posted April 5 Well the new jets and idle jet holders are installed. I now need to remove the plenum to get access to the chokes. In theory making the choke smaller should richen the mixture due to the increase in venturi effect. I have no practical experience of this, just what I have read and been advised. I will have to retune the car and see what happens. I stumbled across a rule of thumb for calculating the main jet sizes. Interestingly the Lotus selected sizes don’t match the rule of thumb calculations! My wheel is fully cured and tyre should be back on by Tuesday. Looking forward to seeing if these jetting changes sort the problem. It will still be off to the rolling road to perfect the set up, then its job done I hope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusfab Posted April 5 Author Report Share Posted April 5 Whos going to Orlando to see the Bond cars? https://dezerlandpark.com/orlando/the-auto-experience/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdoom Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 Smaller venturi will bring the main circuits on sooner. Whether that helps could be instructive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusfab Posted April 5 Author Report Share Posted April 5 Well worth a visit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotuStuart Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 I was just thinking if it would Ben possible to reinforce the wheels with something like a giant G clamp and rubber/wood, so that when the higher pressure bangs the tyre into place, the rim is supported and doesn’t have to take the whole hit by itself. Just a thought ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusfab Posted April 6 Author Report Share Posted April 6 I think it will be fine if sufficient lubrication is on the barrel and wheel. Tyre bead sealer needs to be on the lip as well. I am using Voodoo motorsport to put my tyres on from now on. My local garage isn’t up to the task. They treat it as a modern wheel, which you really can’t. They have cost me four days of hard work and fractured a wheel lip so far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyww Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 On 01/04/2021 at 17:28, Chillidoggy said: The whole point of 3-piece wheels is so the correct offset can be achieved for the car in question without the need to cast or spin them specifically, which is prohibitively expensive for low volumes. Single piece wheels can only have so much material machined from them before they become too weak. Makes sense. I had assumed (probably wrongly) that they came from a racing background where the wheel/tyre could be assembled without carrying around a tyre fitting machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillidoggy Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 7 minutes ago, Andyww said: Makes sense. I had assumed (probably wrongly) that they came from a racing background where the wheel/tyre could be assembled without carrying around a tyre fitting machine. Yes, I think you’re right, originally developed for race cars. Having rebuilt several different sets over the years including a dreadful set of Compomotives, it’s a slow process and of course you can’t afford not to get it right first time, which makes me wonder whether race teams ended up just carrying different wheel sizes/offsets for testing purposes. If I had the choice, I’d have a single-piece wheel every time! 1 Quote Margate Exotics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusfab Posted April 6 Author Report Share Posted April 6 This is the whole point of three piece wheels. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
910Esprit Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 You'll be fine as long as you dont get a puncture on the way to Cortina Any update on the carb mods? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusfab Posted April 6 Author Report Share Posted April 6 Thats why I will have several bottles of slime! Oh and a puncture repair kit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillidoggy Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 2 hours ago, Lotusfab said: This is the whole point of three piece wheels. Nope, you've lost me there. Care to elaborate? Quote Margate Exotics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusfab Posted April 6 Author Report Share Posted April 6 1 hour ago, Chillidoggy said: Nope, you've lost me there. Care to elaborate? Its all about what they look like! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusfab Posted April 6 Author Report Share Posted April 6 Thanks to Voodoo motorsport the tyre is back on and the wheel is in perfect balance. Steering is great at last with no vibration! I test drove it with the new idle jet and holder. It needs idle tuning, the acceleration is more hesitant than before. So I will swap to the smaller chokes, tune it properly and try again. Then its a rolling road to hopefully sort the issue once and for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
910Esprit Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 If it were mine, I'd be interested to test it with just the choke changes. I also wonder if raising fuel level by, say, 1/2mm will have the desired effect. I believe either/both of these measures will potentially enrich the mixture from transition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusfab Posted April 6 Author Report Share Posted April 6 Yep I will fit the smaller chokes tomorrow and try again. Its very tricky to get this sorted. I was told by a well know specialist they spent a whole day on a car with my set up and had to give up, they could not get rid of the stumble. It is now worse than before at the moment, but as we all know every change affects something else. This result was expected, but I had to confirm it. With the smaller choke more venturi effect, richer mixture and maybe main jets cut in sooner? We will see. Its a learning curve. I will spend as much time on this as is needed to perfect it. Lets hope the progression holes aren't the issue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdoom Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 9 hours ago, Lotusfab said: Yep I will fit the smaller chokes tomorrow and try again. Its very tricky to get this sorted. I was told by a well know specialist they spent a whole day on a car with my set up and had to give up, they could not get rid of the stumble. It is now worse than before at the moment, but as we all know every change affects something else. This result was expected, but I had to confirm it. With the smaller choke more venturi effect, richer mixture and maybe main jets cut in sooner? We will see. Its a learning curve. I will spend as much time on this as is needed to perfect it. Lets hope the progression holes aren't the issue! Fabian, there is indeed a great deal to this and we may well be running fuel which has evolved into something less than ideal for use with the original kit. Yup, the smaller venturi must activate the mains sooner, as will raising the fuel height. If you're going into this intrepidly you must be ever so rigorous with methods, otherwise less likely to succeed. Starting points include the float height and fuel pressure regulation, assuming all kit in fine fettle. Resist temptation to stray far from established fuel height settings. There's a wealth of insights available on the Sidedraft Forum. Cheers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusfab Posted April 7 Author Report Share Posted April 7 Having messed around with this since the engine was running I know this will be a major effort and cost £1000 plus to sort. Jets and rolling road time all add up! It will be worth it to perfect the car. The principles are easy. The tricky bit it getting the correct combination of jets, chokes, air correctors and emulsion tubes. On top of that we have the progression holes. I would not advise anyone to deviate from their stock engine unless they have a lot of cash to throw at the problem. I was advised to switch to forged pistons. In hindsight I should have tried to get forged pistons with the same design as the originals and not HC. I look forward to solving the problem and telling everyone how it was done, so they don’t have to spend fortunes to sort their engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Barrykearley Posted April 7 Gold FFM Report Share Posted April 7 I’m confused here. The pistons are the same size ? Or has the piston swap effectively increased the cc of the engine ? 1 Quote Only here once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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