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Comes down to desirability @red vtec, as well as prominent marketing. As well as rarity, like with most classic cars.

Aston Martin prices will probably always outweigh Lotus cars. They are in a different league really. Though the DB5 was manufactured in similar numbers to the Esprit S1.

The fact that 1960's classic drive like trucks in comparison (especially the DB5), is of little consequence.

The Goldeneye DB5 was featured in a full sequence, racing Famke Jansen in here Ferrari 355(?), but with a legacy of the original in Goldfinger (another full and extensive sequence), and briefly featured in Thunderball. Whereas the Esprit Turbo/Turbo Esprit was used fleetingly in FYEO. Apart from it self-destructing and carrying skis it's presence in the film was minimal by comparison, and as a consequence is largely forgotten by those outside of the Lotus community. The Esprit S1 is a different matter, which appeared in a highly memorable sequence, which was integral to the plot. The mini-sub being used to spy on Stromberg's undersea laboratory. TSWLM also had a greater budget, having to make up ground on a lengthy legal battle which delayed the film franchise, and also to counter the lack lustre box office performance of The Man With The Golden Gun which preceded it. This bigger budget meant an increase in marketing spend, from which Lotus Cars and the Esprit S1 was able to benefit.

These are just the views of a producer, who deals with screenplays, as well as advertising and marketing.

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On ‎04‎/‎08‎/‎2018 at 13:55, Fridge said:

Comes down to desirability @red vtec, as well as prominent marketing. As well as rarity, like with most classic cars.

Aston Martin prices will probably always outweigh Lotus cars. They are in a different league really. Though the DB5 was manufactured in similar numbers to the Esprit S1.

The fact that 1960's classic drive like trucks in comparison (especially the DB5), is of little consequence.

The Goldeneye DB5 was featured in a full sequence, racing Famke Jansen in here Ferrari 355(?), but with a legacy of the original in Goldfinger (another full and extensive sequence), and briefly featured in Thunderball. Whereas the Esprit Turbo/Turbo Esprit was used fleetingly in FYEO. Apart from it self-destructing and carrying skis it's presence in the film was minimal by comparison, and as a consequence is largely forgotten by those outside of the Lotus community. The Esprit S1 is a different matter, which appeared in a highly memorable sequence, which was integral to the plot. The mini-sub being used to spy on Stromberg's undersea laboratory. TSWLM also had a greater budget, having to make up ground on a lengthy legal battle which delayed the film franchise, and also to counter the lack lustre box office performance of The Man With The Golden Gun which preceded it. This bigger budget meant an increase in marketing spend, from which Lotus Cars and the Esprit S1 was able to benefit.

These are just the views of a producer, who deals with screenplays, as well as advertising and marketing.

I agree the DB5 had more screen time etc, There were three cars used in GoldenEye two for driving, another for the harbour. It wasn't that long ago DB5 were being put on the scrap heap, it's only the value now that makes them worth saving. A full resto can easily cost £300,000 on top of the car in the first place. Two of the cars I have dealt with have sold for £1.3million & £1.9million+  Aston have been clever in making the most of the Bond link, even DB7, DB9 etc have the cache even though never been near a Bond film. 

I think the Esprit is still an iconic Bond car as people not into Lotus often still refer to them as "is that the James Bond car?" The screen time is far less, but the link is there. I cant recall anyone saying that about a 2CV.

Esprits are so undervalued, although the prices have increased over the past few years. I think they will start to take off now, look at he price of basic stuff such as RS turbos, Golf GTI's etc... This is the view of someone who deals with investment cars.

 

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It's over 20-30 years since DB5s were crushed. Rough examples were still in their £1,000s in 1988.

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2 hours ago, red vtec said:

I think they will start to take off now, look at he price of basic stuff such as RS turbos, Golf GTI's etc... This is the view of someone who deals with investment cars.

If anything I would have said that Esprit prices over the last 12 months are on the way down.


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2 hours ago, RichardJGC said:

It all comes down to supply and demand....always will.

We see RS500 Cosworth Sierra’s going for around 90-100k... there are a lot more Ford enthusiasts out there wanting those than Lotus enthusiasts wanting Esprits.

We all know the Esprit is still the supercar bargain but we are quite a small community in comparison.

Yes, folk forget that aspect.

With any commodity, rarity and demand increase the prices. Continuing the marketing aspect, Ford had a huge marketing budget and advertising footprint compared to Lotus.

The seemingly all pervasive sport models, but now relatively rare have increased those prices dramatically.

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On 04/08/2018 at 13:17, Lotusfab said:
On 01/08/2018 at 12:03, skiing said:

Ahem. Interestingly for those who are interested in roof stereos - there seem to be four models I can find info on. the RM700 (which seems to be top of the range), the RM610 or RM E-610 which is the Essex car fitment. There is the RM310 and then also one called the RM555 which I have seen one picture of on a blog - This seemed to allow you to select components for your stereo including cassette deck, radio tuner and graphic equalizer. This looks an earlier model and a bit more analogue than the RM610 or RM700.

Henry, have you got any cockpit stereo original  fitting pictures you could post? I'm interested how Lotus fixed it. I can work a solution but I prefer to copy the original. Thanks.

Hi Fabian, sorry, my car did not have it fitted originally, I fitted it myself but perhaps one of the genuine dry sumpers might have some pictures?

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The fitting at the front end would be in no doubt, as a bracket is supplied with the unit which would be screwed to the wood cant rail above the windscreen, but the interesting aspect is how the cut-off rear end was attached.

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1 hour ago, Lotusfab said:

Maybe someone could enlighten us???

This is Essex 004 with its small additional blanking plate.

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Is the part with the 3 screws and the plate on the unit with 2 screws all one piece?

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2 hours ago, RichardJGC said:

I dont believe so but maybe could form a neat solution that way.

I just formed a basic bracket with a couple of standoffs. Its a fiddly solution but worked.

 

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You must be getting on at some rate if the interior is at this stage Richard - when’s the big reveal?👍

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Haha don’t be deceived....that was the trial fitting some 15yrs ago???

Am awaiting the return of some refurbished suspension components before i can crack on. Big reveal maybe 12 months time. We will see. No actual deadline.

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Thanks to Andy I have measured the dry sump amp plate. It's made of plywood here are the dimensions. The sides are sloped and it's symmetrical.IMG_4915.thumb.JPG.2cbdd9b0f129b0c578c90208c98b0818.JPG

It fits in the front of the passenger footwell on brackets. The cutout goes at the bottom. The only problem being you need a rocking horse s... 610 cockpit amp to fit behind it! 

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I have temporarily wired my old cockpit stereo into my car as a test for the new owner. I found some old speakers and have new ones in my car. 

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One small light for you, one giant leap for me!IMG_4917.thumb.JPG.51ac93a962e6c043d7c3c2adb37a0214.JPG

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I have totally rewired the aerial electrics including the relay. I was happy with my work and tested the aerial. It extended perfectly, but on the retract it jams!!! 😫😫😫😫😫😫My wiring is perfect Its the last outer piece of the mast, it exits the housing and jams on retraction. It was allegedly new. I will have to try and fix it in situ. A job for later as I need to get this back together. I'm very pleased the electrics on this car are simple. To get that door light working was not easy though.  The switch had failed, the fuse had blown and the bulb holder needed repairing. Nothing is easy! Now for the other door! 

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The bottom outer piece on mine does not extend, its stuck in. I am not sure if its supposed to extend. I dont think it is actually.

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Mmm, that could be a way of fixing it?

Put a restrictor under the nut.

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Mauve, and mauve with a white stripe. Picture to follow.

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3 hours ago, skiing said:

Fabian, what colour wiring is used for your door lights? Thanks, Henry

IMG_4936.thumb.JPG.7004e4b22bd11fec079312f1ce3ae2f8.JPGI replaced the Lucas connectors. Is that purple or Mauve? Curiously the door switches have a diode leading to them. Both of these wires are positive until one is ground by the switch. IMG_4935.thumb.PNG.f67932471e995bb8f362f215ce01c45c.PNGStill got the other side to do but the RM310 test was scheduled in first! Andys IPhone mod is the business! Quite a good sound from this vintage piece! 

I have nearly sorted the under dash wiring. It's a good idea to get as many systems working and checked before the windscreen and dash are in. Then it gets very difficult and time consuming to fix faults. To say nothing of lying upside down trying to spot and modify wires under the dash! 

Just the vacume pipes,  air ducts, amp and underdash carpet Then the dash, finally the binnacle and the rest of the wiring. Still a lot of work to do! 

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i also have the silver (much nicer) gear stick, why did they changed that?

this looks great!

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