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Finally arrived at the dealer. Now waiting for pick up on 26/3 (business trip  ) Union Jack needs still to be placed as well as alcantara steering wheel and titanium exhaust. This is sent seperat

Well, almost there. No delivery date but I have to say this is looking like the dogs wotsits... Not sure what the net thing is in the boot? haven't/don't recall seeing that before.. And I ev

Ok here are my thoughts...please excuse writing style /ramblings.  I'd turned into a stuttering idiot by the time I'd got out of the car    Lotus Exige Sport 380   As I'm

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12 minutes ago, 550superfast said:

The komotec cup video says it makes 460PS and 405NM.

405 NM - isn't standard 400NM (or 295 Lb-ft) ?

Yup, this 405nm number is weird especially when the EX460 on the KomoTec Evora reportedly generates 495nm... 

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2 hours ago, The Pits said:

Worth bearing in mind that Lotus spent £1m on taking the Exige from 345bhp to 375bhp. How much do you think Komotec spent?

Wow.... I don't think that's entirely true?! Adding the additional pulley and remap may have cost a penny or two but no way near a £1m. Think thats an unfair statement against Komotec. There does seem to always be a negative against Komotec - I really don't understand it... 

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3 hours ago, 550superfast said:

PS: you mean  " from 320/325 to ... more"  :ph34r: ?

 

Why this? Do you think the exige v6 only makes 320/325? Got any graphs to show that?

FWIW, when my Evora S (same engine as the Exige S, obviously) was stock, it dyno'd at 315fhp (calculated). When I discussed this with a couple of Lotus specialists, they weren't surprised and said that was in the range for most of the SC'd V6 engines. 

The graph is over in the Evora section. 

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20 minutes ago, Bravo73 said:

FWIW, when my Evora S (same engine as the Exige S, obviously) was stock, it dyno'd at 315fhp (calculated). When I discussed this with a couple of Lotus specialists, they weren't surprised and said that was in the range for most of the SC'd V6 engines. 

The graph is over in the Evora section. 

Can you send a link to it or repost please? I am struggling to find it.

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1 hour ago, C8RKH said:

I'm with you @alias23. It looks to me like Komotec ACTUALLY put in real effort to engineer a complete solution, one that is properly integrated and works!

I don't believe I've seen a real complaint from a real KT customer but seen a bit of negativity/disbelief from those that aren't.

Don't understand it really. It feels like they're becoming to Lotus what Alpine or Schnitzer are to BMW. Personally think we should encourage them to continue down a quality path.

I might be a bit biased as i am an acutal customer and have an EX460 but here are my 5 cents:

KT has an excellent reputation in the German Lotus community for a very long period of time already. In particular the track focused few Lotus drivers here in Germany tend to go nowhere else than to KomoTec. They have won the prestigious German Tuner Grand Prix several times (a lap time contest of tuners in Germany on the Hockenheim Ring - officially hosted) going back as far as the MK1 Exige.

Before I did my upgrade I was very sceptic about the quality and durability ... despite their good reputation ... and asked a lot of questions. I also insisted on a before/aftert dyno test (normally they only do an after).... Now, after having been through the whole process and after having watched them what they do both with regards to the development/engineering work they do as well as to the actual installation ... I do not think I would go anywhere else... the live and breath Lotus... day and night.

I hope they will continue to go down this path and really move on in a similar direction like Schnitzer for BMW but w/o the arrogance please (I also own an Schnitzer ACS4 btw ...)

Right now in fact their are doing wind tunnel testing for a new Exige Track Aero Kit...

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To clarify if needed my saying, I didn't say KT is not giving what they promise... I will even have a EX370 kit fitted in one week :P! What I say is that the promised gain (let's say +80hp for the EX430) is probably respected (it was at least on those I know), but that the starting point is often not 345, but rather 320/325...

of course, there are always variations in automotive production, and some supercharged 3.5 engines may produce the expected 345bhp, but all the ones I know that were dynoed didn't ... once again, I'll have my car dynoed before/after, and I'll let you know, good or bad !

let's go back to the original topic : the 380 :)!

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Thanks LF1 - no I drove in race mode the whole time.  It wasn't awful for H&T far from it but it wasn't as sharp as I'm used to, so I had to do what I'd consider big blips to get it to respond as I like.  As I mentioned though that's a very minor criticism.  The car was incredible to drive.

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 Thanks for the feedback, Jean-Paul :) ... as a Porsche fan and owner too, I appreciate the comparison !  It was  a pleasure to read, and very informative ! Unfortunately, new engines on P cars are not what they used to be...

BTW, a tyres question related : you drive with MPS Cup2 the whole year long ? How is your feeling with that ?

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18 minutes ago, French Frie said:

 Thanks for the feedback, Jean-Paul :) ... as a Porsche fan and owner too, I appreciate the comparison !  It was  a pleasure to read, and very informative ! Unfortunately, new engines on P cars are not what they used to be...

BTW, a tyres question related : you drive with MPS Cup2 the whole year long ? How is your feeling with that ?

Hi FF - yes I drive with MPS Cup 2 all year round.  They're rubbish in the cold, useless on ice but brilliant if it's dry and can get some heat in them.  As long as you drive to the conditions it's not a problem.  I'm very cautious when it's cold and wet.

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Thanks Arun, I was particularly interested in your view considering you are a fellow V6 Cup owner. I agree the ride height does look high, especially on the wider front Michelins but for non-Cup owners probably not something they'd even notice.

30bhp should be noticeable in an Exige but it sounded like the weather didn't give you the opportunity to accurately assess that. I would expect my own Cup to feel savagely fast today as it is.

I'm sure more could have been done to update the interior. There isn't much of an interior anyway so the smallest difference tends to stand out. Remember when the V6 gained that little white line around the dials? That seemed like progress in 2012! For me the TFT screen like the 311 has with built in telemetry functions would probably be enough of a change combined with the new gear linkage. I would like an adjustable steering wheel though too.

I agree about satin carbon, I think that would be better inside and out.

Far too soon for you to be thinking about changing your car anyway Arun but it sounds like the Sport 380 hasn't done enough to tempt you into doing something rash. I can see that it's a nice step up from an early V6S but I wonder if it's enough of an upgrade for existing V6 Cup owners?

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23 minutes ago, Arun_D said:

Far too cold for a proper appraisal of the Sport 380 when I got in B&Cs car this morning, so I'll keep it to the things I can comment on. 

The finish of the carbon exterior pieces are magnificent, they make the car looks really special. Almost more 'Cup' than my own car! I'd love them on mine, bar the splitter, which I regard a consumable given how much I like scraping mine at Karussell. The glossy carbon sill covers contrast to everything else in the cabin and are a bit jarring. Maybe if they were satin finish like S2 Cups it would be better, but I'd leave them off the options. The dark blue car at B&C isn't as overtly agressive looking than the silver press car with its red accents (now at Hoffmans). The darker colour does a job of masking the stubby double canards, which I don't think is a bad thing. 

Bilstein equipped V6s always sit a bit high in my opinion, heck even my Nitron equipped car has had the ride height adjusted, but the 380 front splitter is even more pronounced in its lofty position, no doubt the high profile Michelins contribute a lot to this. No biggie, extra ground clearance on the road is always welcome, but it does look odd. 

This was also my first time in a 350-onwards platform Exige. The updated switchgear is a very welcome change and function spot-on. The cabin is solid. Not a single squeak or rattle to be found. However I'm not sure of the quality of some of the materials or workmanship that has gone into the trim. The doorcards of this particular car was all lumpy and bumpy for some reason. The Clarion headunit is bobbins, I only ended up having to interact with it because is came to life automatically when a traffic announcement was broadcast. I tried my darndest to switch it off, and jabbing at it's cheap plastic fascia wasn't a pleasant experience, so I think I ended up just turning the volume to zero or worked it out in the end by holding the big in. Small beans really due to the next point....

The sound of the Exige has now been transformed with the Evora 400 exhaust. Sonorous, mighty, more vocal and raspy to my ear than the Evora (I back-to-backed with an IPS 400 so could make a decent comparison), it's enough to sell cars on its own. However, as with the Evora,  it's also chuffing loud. Some of us struggle with the 'current' standard V6 exhaust on track, and you've got no chance with this one. I look forward to see what Lotus offer to bring their outstanding track-mannered car range up to code with regards to noise. An Exige is born to be on a circuit and shouldn't be sidelined.

Driving manners, well it was very cold, just into postive figures, so I don't think anywhere near 380PS was unleashed, but maybe there's something to be felt in the midrange that was beefier than my Cup, I don't know. Let's try again in the dry. The biggest difference I felt was steering weight. I'm also runnning 215mm tyres on the front, but these Cup2s plus whatever geometry changes have been made have increased weight a tad. Ride is fine on the road, and the car doesn't hunt the cambers like my Cup does, but mine isn't on a standard geometery anymore.  Gearchange with the revised exposed gate mechanism is sweet, no complaints at all but then I dont grumble about the old gearchance in my Cup. Mine is only slightly less positive and requires less heft than the 350-onwards mechanism. Cup2s felt slightly more friendly in single-digit temperature grip stakes than my ZZRs were on the way to B&C.

I'd love to have another go in warmer weather, and overall it's a gorgeous and desirable product, but honestly I feel the platform is running out of steam now. I'd never really payed attention to the people that say 'well it's the same interior from x years ago', but today I started to feel them same notion.  The 380 is a fantastic incremental step on a winning formula (in the driving stakes at least, if not sales), but the 2020 Exige can't come soon enough.

It's an Exige V6 road driving thing, for sure. Even in Sport and Race it can tend to not register properly....but on track with proper braking pressure it just seems to work.

Fair enough - I did sense that it would be better on track.  Agree with Arun about the carbon sills too - I wouldn't pay for them.  Don't know about the stereo.  It was off and I didn't touch it.  I'd be happy with a blanking plate but suspect you need a radio for resale?  If I can go ahead though I'm getting removable steering wheel and harness - might as well go all out.  Can you get a permanent towing eye for them too?  Looks good and practical too!

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Yes JP, towing eye is no problem, many have them already. I agree earbuds for your iphone is all the stereo and sat nav you'll ever need. I'd never bother with a stereo in an Exige and have lived without one perfectly happily for over 3 years. I don't even miss the radio with the BBC iplayer Radio app. I don't think it would affect resale, it's so easy to get one fitted and anyone who wants a stereo in there is unlikely to keep the cheap speakers and standard head unit.

Harnesses will need a harness bar and again, something I missed when I sat in the car having grown used to them. As much as anything they make the seats secure you properly. No point in the carbon sills unless the whole dash was carbon like the Cup 260, plus they'd get ruined very quickly, easy saving there.

I can confirm that heel and toe is second nature on the track.

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