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Whose S1 for sale is this?

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I'd agree with Paul, but from what I have seen and heard of the recent £55,000+ cars this new one on the market is better. Having a better interior and chassis work than either of the two previous cars sold in the past 12 months.

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The owner of one of the £55k cars was going to have it converted to a tartan interior without the tartan headrests - yet another Bond lookalike... yawn...

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Thanks Paul.  I'm not into originality in quite the way that you dudes are.  I don't even mind where the ashtrays are situated.  I understand it's not orginal in colour or interior and I'm fine with that.  The key for me is that it's a pukka rebuild and reliable. And that whatever price is paid would bear up in the market. 

Fridge, if it turns out to be as good as it looks and sounds from the ad, then I'd throw real money at it. 

Wow! Voluntarily? Green and tartan red velour? By choice? 

If I bought this, I would seriously think about getting some grey alcantara in there.


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Wow! So you decided to go with black then. 

I bet it stays cool in there in the summer. 


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20 minutes ago, Suddabym said:

Thanks Paul.  I'm not into originality in quite the way that you dudes are.  I don't even mind where the ashtrays are situated.  I understand it's not orginal in colour or interior and I'm fine with that.  The key for me is that it's a pukka rebuild and reliable. And that whatever price is paid would bear up in the market. 

Fridge, if it turns out to be as good as it looks and sounds from the ad, then I'd throw real money at it. 

Wow! Voluntarily? Green and tartan red velour? By choice? 

If I bought this, I would seriously think about getting some grey alcantara in there.

If you're not after a Bond lookalike and don't care about it being white then you have more to potentially choose from, which is good - everything's for sale. If you dragged a ratty old S1 out of a barn and paid £10k for it and then paid to have it restored you'd have £75k in it by the time you'd finished.

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Just now, Suddabym said:

Wow! So you decided to go with black then. 

I bet it stays cool in there in the summer. 

No, just the chassis is black at present. It is very cool. With infinite headroom.

I haven't decided what to do with the interior as yet, as I'm still searching for a decent 'Marcashite' replacement. Most are exactly that, shite.

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And actual nylon. Like from the actual '70's. I may not be cut out for owning medieval cars after all.  I think I'll just buy that Sport 410 Bond homage instead. No nylon in there!


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Have you been peeking @Paul Coleman?

@Suddabym think of the sparks you could generate whilst you're waiting for the AA on the A14?!

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Well, in that case it will definitely be nice a cool in the summer, if you're sat on the big metal bit. 

Like pipes, I intend to never be in contact with nylon.  

Paul, I agree.  I like the white, but I'm not after a Bond car. And certainly not after that scary interior.  But anyway... point is, I agree.  I would (pay someone else) for a full rebuild of a barn find.  But, this one looks G2G and I'd rather go for one that's done and pay top whack than pay the same anyway and have to go through the whole Discovery Channel restoration thing. 

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6 minutes ago, Suddabym said:

Paul, I agree.  I like the white, but I'm not after a Bond car. And certainly not after that scary interior.  But anyway... point is, I agree.  I would (pay someone else) for a full rebuild of a barn find.  But, this one looks G2G and I'd rather go for one that's done and pay top whack than pay the same anyway and have to go through the whole Discovery Channel restoration thing. 

The next question is have you ever driven one? I can go about 10 minutes before my right ankle aches like hell from the driving position. I'm 5'10" and I find it a bit like being in a plastic coffin hahaha If you're willing to spend that kind of money I would say you could have your pick of a lot of cars that are not actually for sale - like I said, everything has its price.

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Well, that's a really good point. I owned a GT3 for a year when I was young and poor and ended up selling it back to the dealer for a bag of magic beans. So, I've driven a 90's Espirt and the general proporations of the car would be the same.  That said, I haven't driven an S1, and I would need to before I committed, of course.  But then, I've owned nine Lotus' to date, so I feel like I'm well versed in off driving positions.

And, I'm not an OAP.

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Well it's good that you know what you're letting yourself in for. There was a member on here a number of years ago who spent more than we're talking about buying and restoring an S1 and after finishing it he hated the thing and took a big loss when he sold it shortly afterwards.

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That's crazy.  Am pretty sure that I'd be happy with the car. But it's not a decision to be taken lightly. Either in cost or care of ownership. Not being an oligarch and all!


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It all depends upon what your reasons are for owning an S1.

If you want a Fast 'n' t'Furious mean machine to drift on track days like Jenson Button and have the reliability of an Audi then don't buy a classic car. Buy an Audi R7 or a Gallado. However if you want a design classic that will appreciate by as much as the others depreciate, and have some fun on occasional days for that full on 1970's wedge experience, then buy the S1. With the current state of global economics money won't be flowing into other investments any time soon, so your money will be as safe as anywhere else.

Horses for courses.

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Lot of money, but a nice car and not many about that have had proper full restorations,  A rare and unique car to own :)

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You've got 2 choices really. And limited by what cars are for sale. Either an off the peg one at big bucks, or try and find a nail and do a ground up restoration, like I, Fabian and Paul did. As you say @Suddabym, you'll probably be paying the same or close to it if you don't do any of the restoration yourself.

There are a cars out there but you'd have to persuade owners to sell them, as they do not come up for sale very often.

My advice would be to seriously consider this one if you have the money, but you'd need to know what work has and has not been done. From the earlier comments on this thread, this car hasn't had the full nut and bolt rebuild that I am currently doing. But those shot cuts may be very minor.

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Fabian, that is a seriously beautiful car and in such good nic!  I am sooooo jealous. Such an iconic shape, the S1.  Simply sublime. I guess the interior grows on you.  In the right light. Maybe...

I'm not looking for a GTR, no. An option is still to go for a 400. And the argument to go that route is strong. But, I could get an Elise for the everyday stuff (being young enough to get in and out of one) and, as you say, David, own this car for its own pleasure.  There really are not many cars that are so recognisable, so iconic and so timeless. You could pull up anywhere in this and no one would know if you were a prince or pauper. But it would still get you in anywhere. How fantastic. And, like you and Fabian and Paul, I'd love to restore my own to my own spec etc, but I don't have an adjustable spanner, so...

So then, the question boils down to how good is this rebuild, really? By like a proper measure, and can I ever really actually know the answer to that for sure? Probably not, so in the end it boils down to trust. It does look like a pretty good job to me though and I guess, a rebuild done for profit will never be as good as one done for love.  So you guys will never be able to judge the job objectively because it will never reach your own standards.

Hmm.

I quite liked the Alfa. 

And, the engine on this car has blue wires sticking out, so it's gotta be good, right?


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David, I see what you mean about black now. Even the metal bit is black. 


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Mark it also comes down to if you can raise one eyebrow. This I believe is actually a legal requirement to owning a S1! 

Now back to the car, I have owned my S3 for under a year and I have to say I don't think I will ever sell it I took it out today, put some petrol in it had a chat with a fella in a DB7. Went to get some beers had a chat with two chaps. Then went to local shop for the missus had 3 kids on bikes follow me so when I came out of the shop they were all over it with their phones let them all have a sit in it. This is in one round trip of under 3 miles. So you actually don't get anywhere quickly in them. 

I saw Fabians S1 at brands and it is bloody gorgeous actually better than that to be honest. I would have one if I had the money I still reckon they and the Essex will be 100k in the next 5 years. Get some one on here to have a look at it, not me I would just say buy it, then enjoy it. I have hard some gorgeous cars including classics and nothing and I mean nothing gets close to the attention you get and it is always good. 

So buy it if it checks out. 

Oh and get to M&S to get a cardigan asap 

 

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I'm going for stealth @Suddabym 

With prices going north and living near Middlesbrough this car will need to keep a low profile. Unlike the tyres.

Though I think I'll go for white walls like the cars of my youth.

I'll find out about this Gloucestershire car. The engine installation was completed by a Jaguar specialist and I'm sure it's pretty good, and I'm sure you can find out who rebuilt the engine if different. Like I said before, I don't think much was overlooked during it's rebuild.

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You could however put your name down for one of these 150. Not quite the same though. And certainly not as rare. I know which I prefer.

http://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/news/unique-lotus-evora-sport-410-honours-iconic-james-bond-lotus-esprit-s1

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I'm not going to M&S.  Ever.  

Fabian's car look epic. I mean really epic. I get the iconic status that - particularly the S1 - Esprit is held in.  By literally everyone.  Which is why I think that this could be an opportunity that comes along just once.

Thanks David.  White-walled tyres.  Go well with the white wheels. 

Defo can't stretch to a Lotus Esprit Bond homage Evora Sport 410.

But at least the interior isn't green. I mean, green.  Really?


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