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So I wonder how many of the good people that Lotus said goodbye to over the last few years will throw their hats in the ring?

On 22/09/2018 at 04:27, hedgerley said:

You beat me to it. Any excuse, any thread, however tenuous the link, I post links to the Bahar Elite concept and, I believe, a market Lotus should address seriously i.e. me in a few years when my knees and hips have gone and I can't cope with the Esprit anymore...... 

 

I have to agree with you. I would buy one of these in a heartbeat.


All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit.

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Practical experience of vehicle dynamics steering (EPAS,EHPAS,HPAS) development

 

Hm. This is part of the "essential criteria" for some of the posts, though. I guess it is part of the future and a pill we will have to swallow. Hopefully it will not apply to all new products.

 

There is a full range of different profiles, too. Looks bright. :thumbup:

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5 hours ago, Bibs said:

Interesting, I guess the written commitment in cold hard cash has been made and the management now knows exactly where it's heading. I really hope some of the position to be filled will only affect the luxury vehicles and not the sportcars but I guess with tech components which are getting ever lighter  and loom integration it will eventually happen.

Also interesting that some job descriptions do not include specific location, I guess some positions will be located in Coventry, others possibly in Chengdu, We already have one position for commodity manager to be based in Gotenburg on the Geely (Volvo / CEVT/ Lynk & Co) campus I guess this could be the first of many. 

Still this is all good news to see close to 150 job position to be filled  soon if not already, they better get cracking on the renovation and new buildings.

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It's awesome news but I'm left wondering where this large number of highly skilled niche employees are going to come from? I know nothing about the automotive technology/design/production workpool, so is it a question of poaching them from other companies? Or recruiting from abroad?


I tempted fate...now my Esprit V8 IS in bits...(sob)

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1 minute ago, swindon_alan said:

It's awesome news but I'm left wondering where this large number of highly skilled niche employees are going to come from? I know nothing about the automotive technology/design/production workpool, so is it a question of poaching them from other companies? Or recruiting from abroad?

I see no problem in poaching, but isn't the engineering pool in the Uk super deep? I'm pretty sure that with the number of companies involved in the automotive sector there will be no problem sourcing the bulk of them from the UK and for the moment it is still sort of easy for Europeans to get hired... 

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Plus I guess that the majority will either have to be in reach of Hethel/stay during the week/move there/want to be in that part of the country...


I tempted fate...now my Esprit V8 IS in bits...(sob)

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I would not exclude some of former staff coming back, especially if the package is competitive... Geely doesn't seem phased by the Brexit talks, Lotus being very small and an aspirational luxury brand may be less impacted by the spectre of the no deal that is looming ...  With a quite a few jobs that could be relocated to Coventry eventually, Lotus could poach to their heart content in the BMW/MINI and the JLR pools of engineer.

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BMW mini should be hanging their heads in shame. 

The pishe they are spouting about brexit is disgraceful. I’ve actually been to mainland Europe - and you sure don’t see that many minis on the road over there. I’d love to know the numbers they claim to export to the eu from the uk

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Mini is 15th best selling car in Germany, very popular in the cities. 32.666 cars Jan to August.

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On 29/09/2018 at 04:22, webfoot said:

White new bits

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Seeing that, makes much more sense than just the pictures of the building renders. The site always has been a diamond in the rough, they never made proper use of it, so much potential.


Adding power makes you faster on the straights. Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere.

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Going on a tangent with Mini, I don't think the problem is selling the cars in the UK or anywhere, I think the problem will be the cost of continental sourced parts, these may/will drive the cost of the production way to high considering the sales price of minis.  When it comes to that, British luxury brands will enjoy more protection thanks to their higher prices and de facto higher margins.

Back to lotus, I wonder how long it will take to complete the skeleton buildings started and abandoned at the end of the DB era and how long it will take to complete the new buildings. Any idea on the time required from planning to completion? Geely is about to complete the construction of the Polestar factory,  I think they should be in the final fitting phase by now, with verification/validation prototype being built in Sweden before starting production next year in Chengdu. They have had their timelines pretty much under control at this point. Lets hope the playbook applies to Lotus. 

Lotus and its dealers have opened multiple outlets in quick succession in the past few weeks and with Geely ready to pounce, we could have an onslaught of openings in China next year. I don't think it will be as massive as Geely opening nearly 150 4S dealers in a day (https://paultan.org/2018/08/14/in-china-geely-opens-149-4s-dealerships-in-a-day/) but I do expect the number of Lotus dealers in china to increase dramatically in the next year, right now Lotus is down to a single dealer in Beijing, I don't think Geely will be ok with this situation much longer.

Also the new collection of Lotus clothing and accessories is very motorsport oriented I'd say, but the colours do remind me of Jaguar and Aston Martin current colours with the grey and the acid green predominant. Still, should this translate at some point into more - insert race car livery here - it will look very racy. 

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Dealers had a meeting at Hethel  Friday before the anniversary and one of the said dealerships, told me today that the building work will be completed summer next year.

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Thank you 🙏 

Well that is suitably speedy. I guess the destruction of the Lotus motorsport building will be made up for at some point in the future.

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Yes shame to see the green shed go, gave us some great cars, don't think it's been mentioned anywhere but in the design studio last week for the anniversary, lotus posted pictures and information on upgrades and purchases they have made so far on new equipment and upgrades to the infrastructure, paint booths, the latest design equipment and lots more , looks like a massive investment already and we all know the requirement drive they are in the middle of at the moment. 

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During said Dealers' meeting they refused to confirm the SUV, only saying that a "Lifestyle" vehicle is coming up, whatever that means. You only need to look at the Lotus job vacancies pages though to see an "SUV Senior Analyst" role is required, so I have no idea why they're now being so secretive about it. JMG couldn't stop talking about it!

"Lifestyle", "Luxury", "Connectivity" : it's all change for this "Iconic Brand" at Hethel! 

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Looking into this some more, I found the previous scheme undertaken by DB, doesn't look too bad;

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That must be what the skeleton buildings were supposed to be?

 

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19 hours ago, scotty435 said:

Yes shame to see the green shed go, gave us some great cars, don't think it's been mentioned anywhere but in the design studio last week for the anniversary, lotus posted pictures and information on upgrades and purchases they have made so far on new equipment and upgrades to the infrastructure, paint booths, the latest design equipment and lots more , looks like a massive investment already and we all know the requirement drive they are in the middle of at the moment. 

Also was the hanger to Colin’s planes and where they worked on the microlight development , if only walls could talk. 

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On 05/10/2018 at 10:06, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

During said Dealers' meeting they refused to confirm the SUV, only saying that a "Lifestyle" vehicle is coming up, whatever that means. You only need to look at the Lotus job vacancies pages though to see an "SUV Senior Analyst" role is required, so I have no idea why they're now being so secretive about it. JMG couldn't stop talking about it!

"Lifestyle", "Luxury", "Connectivity" : it's all change for this "Iconic Brand" at Hethel! 

I hope that the lifestyle / SUV is really something different and special, not just something that looks live a vertically stretched Evora. Looking at all the cars at the Lotus 70 @ Hethel, one of the coolest and one that I'd overlooked in the past has to be the 1970s Elite shooting-brake. The green one with the green leather and velour interior that used to belong to Colin Chapman especially. Totally wacky and futuristic design. A modern take on that is what is needed. As someone else has commented, I don't think that Lotus has ever mad a dud car model in 70 years. Every one is something special.  Let us hope that the SUV doesn't change that.

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Ok this is a tangent feel free to skip to the next relevant post ... Well I have been quite absolutely about the Geely acquisition from the start and this latest item of news has me even more bullish about it. I know this is China and cost of workforce is not on par with western standard not even close, but come on for mass market manufacturer on their mass market brand and on their home turf, with  prices that are competitive not to say very aggressive and bearing in mind that Geely is not big on export yet these margins are impressive

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A fresh study by the center points out that on average, a Geely car costs just €9,529 ($10,942), but the company secures a 14.4 percent profit from revenues before tax and interest.

source: https://www.dw.com/en/geely-the-car-industrys-rising-profitability-star/a-45746185.

14.4 % Considering that the Boyue is accounting for 60% of their sales but that the vehicle line up is being revamped with the latest Volvo knock down kits that are going to generate massive economy of scales, and the latest in reliable tech... Uh if they don't screw this up on their own I think Lotus is in very good hands. 

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The Chinese have everything success requires in hand. I have little doubt they will manage quite nicely over the coming decades. It seems Lotus fortunes have waxed and waned over the decades in step with the fortunes of the middle classes in the relevant markets. It is well apparent that China's middle class are on the ascendant so that bodes well for Geely's interest. Additionally it is known that China plans to be fully up to speed with worldwide benchmarks in technology and product quality in rather few years hence.

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Looks like wave bye bye to the combustion engine....

It's well documented that China has a reputation for working with companies and then stealing/copying the intellectual property / designs...

 

listen about 9 mins in.... 

 

 

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They would be looking at getting 500 bhp from this thing a 4cyl possibly hybridized pushing 500bhp in a Chinese-Swedish sedan...  If it gets that powertrain the next exige may be a thing for maniacs.

Looks like Cyan racing is going to be the new Polestar of Geely Group Motorsport.

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