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3 hours ago, 100th_Idiot said:

Am I the only one that does not want a crappy built in ICE from Volvo or anyone else? After a few years they are woefully outdated and unable to be upgraded. I'm happy with an aftermarket unit. It plays music and radio. Sat Nav. And is easily changed if you want newer features such as Android Auto or Apple Car play today. The ICE is just a bit more planned obsolescence to apply pressure to change your car.

I completely get what you're saying; however, if the stop-gap car's/new cars' ICE offerings don't at least match up to the opposition's, then it will be the big 'BUT...' on every other review, group test etc. and we'll see phrases like 'old Lotus bugbear' and 'not there yet...'

 

Realistically, assuming a £110,000-£130,000 price it will be largely compared with the new 992 model 911, AMG GT and Audi R8 so as well as hitting 60mph/100kph in around 3.5 seconds and matching handling etc. it will need interior quality and technological toys/ICE of equivalent quality to those cars if it wants to make a statement and have the reviews, group tests etc. recognise that Lotus is 'now' a car that you can buy without having to put up with any compromise. 

 

I'm quite sure that Lotus will want this car to be 'spot on' because it will be setting the stage for the all-new cars. The last thing they will want is for people to be saying, 'Hopefully, the next phase of Lotus products will be able to address deficiencies A, B and C...'  If they really knock this one out of the park, excitement and anticipation for the all-new models will be very high; a great deal of the necessary marketing/awareness will be achieved from that alone.

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3 hours ago, C8RKH said:

Go take a look at the PCM/ICE in a 996 Porsche. A COMMAND system in a merc SL500 from 5 or 10 years ago etc.  All were state of the art at the time, all look and operate like shite now. £3,4, 5k options when new.

I quite like how Lotus use a non integrated Double Din system as it means you can easily change it for something else.

Yeah, ideally the industry, as a whole, should be looking into upgradable systems, but as Andy said, perhaps the ICE is seen as one more way to make your car feel obsolete in 5 yrs time so you feel pressured into a new one!

 

It will be interesting to see what directions Lotus take in this front. 'Luxury' was a word being thrown around a bit so I suspect fairly high-end specs. You're 100% right, though - high-end looks ordinary at best after 5 yrs if it's integrated and can't be easily updated.

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29 minutes ago, Bee said:

the ICE is seen as one more way to make your car feel obsolete in 5 yrs time so you feel pressured into a new one!

This in spades.

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Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate.  Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies!        

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2 hours ago, Bee said:

Yeah, ideally the industry, as a whole, should be looking into upgradable systems, but as Andy said, perhaps the ICE is seen as one more way to make your car feel obsolete in 5 yrs time so you feel pressured into a new one!

 

It will be interesting to see what directions Lotus take in this front. 'Luxury' was a word being thrown around a bit so I suspect fairly high-end specs. You're 100% right, though - high-end looks ordinary at best after 5 yrs if it's integrated and can't be easily updated.

Recently a TV story was aired in Australia , about the push to make things repairable and how Australia needs to follow the EUs lead on this. I agree with Bee and to take that one step further in that systems should be upgrade able in the same case. ICE systems should be no different to PCs ( not Mac's which are like cars).  This repairable push was also people have access to car diagnostic system in line with US where law states the manufactures must give access to the data or not sells cars.

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On 16/03/2019 at 10:43, Ccd said:

I’m going to make a prediction: no Evora GT Sport will reach US shores; there will be no 2019 MY Lotus in America.  My guess is that Lotus has made the decision that the current Evora cannot sell in the number they need in the US.  And they could very well be right as I’ve read that Lotus sold only 36 cars here in 2018.  Instead, Lotus will begin its reboot in the US with this new car.  I expect the biggest change to be a greatly improved interior and maybe a bump in hp.  My other guess is that the age of “raw” stripped down cars is over for Lotus.  Raw doesn’t sell cars in the numbers that Lotus needs to survive and thrive.

 

Dealers are taking deposits for the Evora GT right now. Actually Lotus sold 168 units and in 2017 they sold 156 cars. Those are official numbers.

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The Honda EV prototype is the first car to market that will use 100% Android ICE. I suspect this will come to dominate in future, and will include some upgrade-ability like our phones. But the next Lotus must surely not use a cheapo aftermarket system. 

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31 minutes ago, harrry said:

The Honda EV prototype is the first car to market that will use 100% Android ICE. I suspect this will come to dominate in future, and will include some upgrade-ability like our phones. But the next Lotus must surely not use a cheapo aftermarket system. 

I thought it was the Polestar 2 that was the first with the Android ICE? Either way, same family as Lotus, so could be interesting!

Also, the idea that a double DIN is better than a built-in ICE is laughable when one is actually trying to sell a new car today.  It simply does not fly.  Ask a "normal" customer on the street whether they want BMW iDrive or a an Alpine touch screen DIN, and I can guarantee 99.9% will say the iDrive, and correctly so.

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Volvo use infotainment systems that incorporate Apple car play and Android Auto, so update when ever your phone updates, so there is no excuse for Lotus to put Inferior outdated double din units in any of there future models. Be realistic these units are a joke at this price point, the Evora 430 came with Apple CarPlay and Dab radio a first for lotus, but it came without a Dab aerial, what a joke. So yes Lotus I am sure will use Volvo or a other unit from group and need to, to attract the new customers that they are looking for. If they could use Mercedes infotainment systems the same way Aston do that would be a massive leap forward and at the same time  use there TFT instrument cluster as it is the best in the world as we speak. Sorry to survive and prosper the have to move out of the analog word.

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3 hours ago, Cypriot said:

I thought it was the Polestar 2 that was the first with the Android ICE? Either way, same family as Lotus, so could be interesting!

Also, the idea that a double DIN is better than a built-in ICE is laughable when one is actually trying to sell a new car today.  It simply does not fly.  Ask a "normal" customer on the street whether they want BMW iDrive or a an Alpine touch screen DIN, and I can guarantee 99.9% will say the iDrive, and correctly so.

I've used a BMW idrive with their pro nav in a 2009 car and while the idrive knob makes navigating round the screen better I much prefer the functionality of my Alpine double din unit with Apple Car play. Event the built in sat nav was better than the BMW version.   No idea if newer versions are better?

I think the ability to upgrade and change functionality with over the air software updates is very handy.  But as said earlier its hard to see the manufacturers incorporating this into their integrated systems as then you'd be less likely to change cars every 5 years etc.

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4 hours ago, Cypriot said:

I thought it was the Polestar 2 that was the first with the Android ICE? Either way, same family as Lotus, so could be interesting!

 

Aha, you're right. I guess this means it could end up in the next lotus too!

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11 hours ago, CharlieBrown said:

Dealers are taking deposits for the Evora GT right now. Actually Lotus sold 168 units and in 2017 they sold 156 cars. Those are official numbers.

And they are telling customers June/July build with deliver 2 months later...


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1 hour ago, harrry said:

Aha, you're right. I guess this means it could end up in the next lotus too!

Maybe not this very upcoming VVA based model as this Android Auto is really new and proper integration would require a bit more time I think, but definitely the next ones... Actually it will be interesting to see how much of a loom upgrade this new car will get compared to the Evora. Upgrading to the Volvo Sensus UI may actually be tricky if they keep the form factor, that screen would dominate the interior ; hopefully they get a more sensibly sized touchscreen possibly one of the horizontal displays seen recently on the newest Geely models. 

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14 hours ago, scotty435 said:

Volvo use infotainment systems that incorporate Apple car play and Android Auto, so update when ever your phone updates, so there is no excuse for Lotus to put Inferior outdated double din units in any of there future models. Be realistic these units are a joke at this price point, the Evora 430 came with Apple CarPlay and Dab radio a first for lotus, but it came without a Dab aerial, what a joke. So yes Lotus I am sure will use Volvo or a other unit from group and need to, to attract the new customers that they are looking for. If they could use Mercedes infotainment systems the same way Aston do that would be a massive leap forward and at the same time  use there TFT instrument cluster as it is the best in the world as we speak. Sorry to survive and prosper the have to move out of the analog word.

Even your phones will only get Android updates for 3 years. 

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On 16/03/2019 at 11:43, Ccd said:

I’m going to make a prediction: no Evora GT Sport will reach US shores; there will be no 2019 MY Lotus in America.  My guess is that Lotus has made the decision that the current Evora cannot sell in the number they need in the US.  And they could very well be right as I’ve read that Lotus sold only 36 cars here in 2018.  Instead, Lotus will begin its reboot in the US with this new car.  I expect the biggest change to be a greatly improved interior and maybe a bump in hp.  My other guess is that the age of “raw” stripped down cars is over for Lotus.  Raw doesn’t sell cars in the numbers that Lotus needs to survive and thrive.

 

Well one of your predictions will come true, Lotus is not offering a 2019 US model, however the 2020's with some orders already in, should start dribbling in this summer.

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12 hours ago, TpupNomad said:

And they are telling customers June/July build with deliver 2 months later...

Well, the new Evora platform 2020 car that is supposted to be the stop gap until the new line up is out in 3-4 years.  My guess, it is a new Evora with a face lift and few more Hp....but more expensive. Funny thing, dealers are taking deposits but they don’t tell you the cost of the car and the cost of options. LOL

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On 18/03/2019 at 14:12, NedaSay said:

As much as I love their vision and this rendering, Automotive design students tend to draw the impossible.

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And there I was, thinking my old Exige was difficult to get in and out of!🙈

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3 hours ago, CharlieBrown said:

Well, the new Evora platform 2020 car that is supposted to be the stop gap until the new line up is out in 3-4 years.  My guess, it is a new Evora with a face lift and few more Hp....but more expensive. Funny thing, dealers are taking deposits but they don’t tell you the cost of the car and the cost of options. LOL

Hey Charlie,

They actually did release a price list, options, and specs.  When I say “release” I mean the dealers have it but customers were told not to disclose them.  It will look like a Euro 430 but will have a few differences in terms of specs.  Rumors are a bit less hp than the Euro 430 due to a 3rd cat (which one could remove...).


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