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@mdavies to be fair I read all of these threads this morning, so being oldish  (i have no short term memory) and having spent 10 hours driving to Stockport and back today and not seeing a single Lotus, I started thinking “we” need something! 

So it wasn’t directed at anything or anyone! Mainly because i didn’t think about the previous posts 😂

This, in my opinion, is getting the best, most amazing, blue collar (subjective agreed)  engineering company on to the world stage. Anyone ever asks me why Lotus, it’s because they are British, they have always been ahead of the curve with no money and they took on everyone. 

Win the lottery it would be a S Class Coupe Amg 63 in blue with cream and no blanked off buttons and the rest of the cars would be Lotus. Oh and a Speedster for the wife 😂

 

 

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Better say before anyone else that in the simple calculation above I copied the average HP fraction numbers wrongly from my calculator.  The 8.4% result is correct, done in either kW or HP, but carelessly I copied one number in each unit.  Apologies, but at least I wrote the result correctly!  Too late to edit.

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I'm with the hybrid side of technology as from an article Ive read somewhere the average street at this point in time can only support 3 Tesla's and getting infrastructure in countries like Australia will take years. The only reliable intercity journey here is Sydney to Melbourne (800+ks)

LOTUS have teamed up with Williams and the system they designed for the C-X75 is what I would like to see,

I was at street drinks last Sunday, a woman finding out the I owned Lotus's she said arn't they those little things from years ago why would you own one of them, She was very surprised to find out what they made now and I have two well one is a Chaterham

I not sure the headline car will achieve all they hope. to the motoring interested people yes to the greater community no. and they will struggle with a 4WD until the name is established.

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9 hours ago, au-yt said:

I'm with the hybrid side of technology as from an article Ive read somewhere the average street at this point in time can only support 3 Tesla's and getting infrastructure in countries like Australia will take years.

It's not just in Australia that the infrastructure required will take years. Also, the cost is hugely prohibitive as most sub-stations and huge chunks of the energy grid will need upgrading to cope with demand.

In the UK, we have very high housing density levels. Most towns and cities still have terraced houses on narrow streets where parking is not guaranteed for home owners and is at a premium. How you going to charge electric vehicles in that scenario?  People usually side track the discussion at that point to induction loops in the road etc. OK great but 2 major problems (1) how much will it cost to install tens of thousands of them in roads that will need to be dug up and repaired and (2) how are you going to track usage and charge the owners for their use?

If you look at the adverts for all electric from the likes of BMW (i3), Tesla et al they all show expensive and trendy wall charging units installed in nice, clean, spacious garages attached to nice, clean, spacious middle/upper middle class homes in the suburbs etc.  This is not the reality for an all electric vehicle future for large, busy, towns and cities where space for street furniture and parking is at a premium, and also where that street furniture is an easy target for vandals and scammers.

This is why I truly believe that all electric is not the future. it is, and will be, a transition technology that will be superseded within the next 10 years by some form of hybrid based either on hydrocarbon or hydrogen fuel sources with electric regenerating backup.


Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate.  Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies!        

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That seems a bit counterintuitive. We are on petrol now. Move to petrol/electric to full electric, to then go back(?) to fuel cell(?)/electric.

I would have thought, looking at those three, that electric would be the end goal?

Unless something drastic happens, my wife will keep her 1.5ltr turbocharged Skoda, I'll keep my Holden Rodeo dual cab (with what I swear is a close ratio gearbox). My children may see themselves buying electric or whatever somewhere down the track.

I don't think any change like that is going to happen with me in the time I have left on this planet.

I'm just hoping I'm not here for the Wall-E outcome. (those that have little children or grandchildren will know what I am talking about)

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All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit.

Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others.

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22 minutes ago, ramjet said:

I don't think any change like that is going to happen with me in the time I have left on this planet.

I'm just hoping I'm not here for the Wall-E outcome. (those that have little children or grandchildren will know what I am talking about)

Your Wall-E comment is spot- on, and as Aus is in grips of a Federal Election, with Laughable comments by Bill Shorten,  I don’t think any Polly has their head around the issue. 

I visited Norway in September 17 and in a small village I stumbled on an electric car charging station with three different type charging units and there lies another issue is there an adaptor for different cars.

 

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So WHY didn't all the carmakers get together, or better still, all the USELESS governments in the world, instead of taxing you for taking your petrol car into London Central, for example, fine the carmakers if they didn't all provide identical charging sockets in their cars? Or at a minimum, provide you with the necessary adaptor to plug into the governments 'one-type' infrastructure? All music companies in the world did it with MIDI, but cars? Nup.

Would have made the shift to all electric cars at least a bit more palatable.

Sorry about that. :getmecoat:

Back on topic.

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All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit.

Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others.

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Actually, your view about mergers is shared by Aston Martin CEO, Andy Palmer. Although, his reasons for them doing so vary slightly from your suggestion.

Autocar link

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I started a thread about the Shanghai announcement on Fchat to gauge the US reaction. Some interesting comments mostly negative 

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/lotus-announcements-at-shanghai-motor-show-2019.598487/#post-146566500

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At least they said something. I ran into a bunch of them at a car meet in WA. Only 1 was interested in talking to me. The others would only talk to other Ferrari owners.

I sometimes see one on the Coast Road down here. I wave from the Esprit...................................What do I get back? 🦗 🦗 🦗 

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All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit.

Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others.

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Owning a dancing donkey is a disease that makes you blind to anything else. It a disease only a vet can cure.

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Just been for a half day-out in our old Ferrari Mondial T cabrio with the family. Top-down, it was all very nice and no need to break the speed limit for thrills. It’s on 45k miles now, so there’s no real depreciation issues with adding some miles. We won’t keep it forever, but it’s a bit of family fun in the classic car mould. Some guy even offered to swap his 15 year old Mondeo for it!

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And you turned him down??? :wallbash::shock: ;)

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Very complimentary article given the age of the current series of Evora but the last paragraph threw me facelifted 400, Im sure Auto car have driven the 400

Lotus Evora (2009 - now): Blessed with superb handling and an uncanny ability to brush off the most brusque of bumps, the Lotus Evora is the connoisseur’s choice. Whether you go for an early car, a facelifted 400, a lightweight Sport 410 or the GT430, you’ll have a brilliant B-road hack. Early examples start from £28k, while post-facelift cars with an improved gearbox are closer to £60k.

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At half the price of a 400, I am sure that makes the early Evora the bargain of the decade, for some a better looking car, the 400 yes a great car and basically where we are today be it 410, 430. Me for one can not wait for the next incarnation, what will be based on the same platform, but what’s been leaked will be radically different in many ways and believe me for the better, that’s the only way Geely know how to operate.

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Yeah about that, the release of a GT4 Concept would seem to indicate that the Evora will remain in production for a little while longer and that the new car will come in addition to it. That would mean the car comes either slightly below in terms of range or slightly above...  Remember that JMG hinted at the fact that the Exige would be the first car replaced?

Well I think the upcoming car may be an Evora based Exige, roomier than the current Exige, with all the bells and whistles Lotus can throw at it using Geely components, yet smaller than the Evora and priced lower at the bottom end but on par, if not higher at the top end. Then again the car would be more extreme than any Evora could be at the top end while being able to outgun the competition further down the range, a Cayman killer and at the same time 911 GT3 hunter. The absolute momentum car on track but with a powertrain that will pack very serious punch... 450bhp or more from the engine and because Geely has one on shelf and they will have plenty of time to make it bulletproof a 7 speed DCT gearbox, while still catering for the manual drivers with another refinement on the venerable Aisin BG6... With Geely backing them Lotus now has the legs to ask for a bespoke version.  

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Evora in the USA discussion is now here... :)

 

 


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ohhh are those Autocar pictures from Lotus or ones Autocar created them selfs?

I really like individual bits of the car but not sure it works 100% all together?   Looks a little squashed could maybe be a bit longer?  Its certainly a nice design but needs a little tweak in my opinion before its finished.

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Ah knew it looked familiar, that's where I'd seen it!  I think I prefer the Bahar Elan more?  Maybe put the front bumper of the new model on the Elan?

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The packaging of an electrified mid-engined rear wheel driven 2 seater sports car sounds like a very interesting challenge.

I wonder if it means just a 48v battery paired with a V6 or a full on hybrid motor paired with a 3/4cyl engine, shoehorned in the engine bay, with a battery bank slotted on top of the gas tank or between the passenger.

I wouldn't mind seeing Lotus loose on Geely own V6 to get the thing integrally "lotusified", be it turbo or supercharged with a spec sheet to play the part 7500 max rpm, 450bhp+,  550nm, a 6 speed manual for the purist and 7 or 8 speed DCT or auto gearbox. 

I fully trust the Lotus design team and Geely parts bin to put together a cabin that will not only bring Lotus in the 21st century  but also give some of the established players a run for their money.

I do like the 2010 intent Prototype Elan too, but for some reason I think that Russell Carr and is design team will try to stay as far away from it as they can, and the shadow of the Type 130 seems to point with curvier shapes...

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