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8 minutes ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

They just seem to make it up as they go along. 

This. Sells mags though.

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Selling 6 cars instead of 5 in China would be a 20% increase. There really is nothing to celebrate at this moment in time beyond Lotus's survival but hopefully it will start to make some kind of sense

Maybe, time will tell. I am starting to think that I am out of kilter with the majority (nothing new there I suppose) but all this talk of electric, luxury, etc and I can't help but feel we are going

Having spoken to a few of the long time Lotus guys still at Hethal i can confirm my LOVE for Lotus is back on the straight and narrow, Jaguars/McLarens are not for me!  I just need to have more p

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On 15/02/2020 at 10:55, geartox said:

Do you know if Lotus will be present at the Geneva Motorshow 2020 ?

Nor will any other manufacturer. Event cancelled. 

Maybe it’s about time China starting paying out a few billions globally in compensation for this outbreak?

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Well if you're going down that route then France owes billions for its air traffic controller and farmer protest cancellations and delays. About time they paid up! 

Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate.  Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies!    

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I’ve got a Trade Fair of my own to exhibit at in Germany next month. It’s usually extremely well attended by the Chinese and North Italians. It’s not just the time you spend on stand duty, it’s also all the time you spend squashed like sardines in public transport getting in and out of the event each day, that has the potential for spreading any virus locally. The duly afflicted could unknowingly take this back home with them and trigger another outbreak elsewhere.

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17 hours ago, mdavies said:

I'm hoping for some clarification about the forgoing discussion by asking just what is being discussed?

Last night I commented that Autocar had written a mishmash article, painting the heading Esprit across words (and picture) that were far more relevant to the "Evora replacement/stop gap" 2 seater, coming "soonish".  And precious little to do with a future Esprit, coming in some longer time.  What has been said here since, across the posts, has not made that distinction clear to me - an "it" has been mentioned - but what is "it"?

My belief is that there are two quite separate and distinct new cars in the works.  The first, and the only one worth discussion, rather than speculation, is that intended to address the price range of the current Evora, perhaps £70K - £110K and built using its chassis. And a future car needed by Lotus to replace the Evora, IMO.  Prices significantly above  £100K and McLaren comparisons are irrelevant to that car.  Autocar mentions the Evora chassis and a Toyota-related V6 plus a hybrid something, and Evija-like bodywork. I don't see a price below £100K as unachievable for such a thing, even with added toys.

Autocar's mentions of a new riveted chassis and a new range are perhaps indeed a basis for an Esprit, of who knows what shape, but the two quite separate in my mind - am I right?

        

That was JMG initial stop gap plan, two cars  before the next generation chassis architecture: one in the Exige slot, one above the Evora slot (quickly renamed new Esprit). But then Popham was put in charge and it all got murky because Popham doesn't say much and then the one car got delayed from late 2019 to late 2020 and now to early 2021 and the other car was mothballed or delayed even further... Which would make it part of the all new generation of cars. The funny thing is that the next gen chassis architecture will be more evolution than revolution, still aluminium bonded and riveted extrusions, still Versatile Vehicle Architecture. Probably even more aluminium intensive.  The big difference between stop gap and next gen maybe more in propulsion system but chassis. JMG wanted to package protect his next gen cars for EV and skip hybrids altogether, and now we hear of hybrids (of unknown type) being the next gen...

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Thanks, Nico, for addressing my basic question, rather than the confusing mush from Autocar that I had already criticised.  Your explanation rationalises why the posts prior to mine were essentially "free-floating" and hence so varied.

It remains my belief that two new cars are still "in the works", one sort of Evija-ish in appearance for a reveal late 2020 and availability 2021, and one at an unknown stage of development, but I suspect at least at a concept stage.  

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3 hours ago, NedaSay said:

from late 2019 to late 2020 and now to early 2021

 

1 hour ago, mdavies said:

one sort of Evija-ish in appearance for a reveal late 2020 and availability 2021

Autocar: New car is "expected to be shown in the first half of next year before going on sale in the following months"

The original target was to reveal the car this year with sales early next so it has been delayed by the best part of another year. 'First half of next year' could mean end of June 21, on sale towards end of 2021. It won't take much to make this a 2022 car. So current range will have to be around longer than orginally planned which makes some updates much more likely.

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1 hour ago, The Pits said:

The original target was to reveal the car this year with sales early next so it has been delayed by the best part of another year. 'First half of next year' could mean end of June 21, on sale towards end of 2021. It won't take much to make this a 2022 car. So current range will have to be around longer than orginally planned which makes some updates much more likely.

I can’t help feeling we’re letting frustration get the better of us and facts are getting mixed up with speculation........

But I may be wrong.....so just so I understand the basis for the thinking that we won’t be seeing a new (based around the Evora platform) car this year, and production next year.......where has Phil Popham actually said this? I’ve seen lots of speculation but I haven’t seen anything from the “Lotus Organ Grinder” to say anything’s changed from this message......

https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/lotus-ceo-future-sports-cars/

 

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So re the 2020/21 "next one", we've had Phil Popham say "have an IC engine",  David McIntyre say "come with an IC engine" and recently Phil Popham say "all have some electrification". (My paraphrasing).  Here,  NedaSay (I think) was the first to suggest a mild form of hybridisation would be a 48v system on top of an IC engine.

Just putting those points together, given that the car will presumably have to span a price/power range as the current Evora did, wouldn't it be fun if the previous Evora 'Sport Option' was resurrected in the form of a 48v power boost on/off switch?  Even a "push to pass" button on the steering wheel?!  All the statements above would be satisfied. Perhaps fit most of the 48v system in place whether optioned or not - just add bigger batteries and a switch to charge ££££ more.  

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^^So a 48v battery is no big deal in terms of weight, you can offset it quite easily. However it does require some planning and I don't know if Evora has room anywhere to put it as part of a retrofit, or maybe they just sacrifice the bootspace. Please do note that they did not even bother to bring Phil's special with an updated auto, which at this point is, I think, the easiest update, and it would be big for Lotus as it would bring Evora's emission back below 235g/mile of CO2. Also I'm only suggesting 48v because it is the most cost effective and weight sensitive option out there right now.  But these views are mine and mine alone.

 

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Nico, as a 2 seater surely room enough. Probably not ideal dynamically, but a 48v battery behind the seats would permit the necessarily hefty cables to the motor generator to be short and direct. The Continental 30Kw system (40 bhp) peaks at 625 amps current - the 48v battery at the front not ideal!

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On 28/02/2020 at 16:13, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

I’ve got a Trade Fair of my own to exhibit at in Germany next month. It’s usually extremely well attended by the Chinese and North Italians. It’s not just the time you spend on stand duty, it’s also all the time you spend squashed like sardines in public transport getting in and out of the event each day, that has the potential for spreading any virus locally. The duly afflicted could unknowingly take this back home with them and trigger another outbreak elsewhere.

Just heard that the Trade Fair in Germany I was due to attend has been postponed for the same reason. This is costing a lot of companies a lot of money.

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On 19/02/2020 at 22:23, NedaSay said:

I'm curious as to whether the new factory - atelier really - is a refurbished part of factory 2 or is housed in the " DB skeleton" that Lotus has been working for a little while now.

Don't think it is in factory 2 extension as it looks like the roof is off that one. Looks like it is in the one just opposite between the entry road and track.

 

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A little Side note, in 2019 Lotus parent company, Geely, racked in nearly USD 46B in revenue for a debt of USD 8.1B and the company is now investing in its own satellite facility to bring forward total connectivity to their cars... 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/china-s-geely-sold-2-18-million-units-in-2019--helping-virus-hit-suppliers-12491920

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-02-11/geely-merger-to-tap-more-cash-from-volvo-as-china-market-narrows

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/2/21162244/geely-satellite-network-autonomous-connected-cars-starlink

 

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On 28/02/2020 at 10:50, Bibs said:

This. Sells mags though.

I just bought one... the mag not the car, ( for now at least! 😎 ).

Currently having an illicit affair with another marque, be back in the fold one day... B-)

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Johnny Cabs. 

All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit.

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Here is where I come down on Lotus’ future: it doesn’t matter.  While there has been FAR too much secrecy surrounding new models, one thing is pretty clear: the new models will in all likelihood be a departure from existing models.  If you value what the existing models represent, the new models are going to be a lot more than updates to existing models.  These new models are going in a different direction and if you care for the current lineup, you probably won’t like it.  I’d love to be wrong, but I just don’t envision the new models carrying forward past Lotus values intact.

 

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What new models? It's all the usual smoke and mirrors so far and you don't have to be overly cynical to roll your eyes and mutter under your breath about the situation as it's all been seen before. We haven't had any new models for years. The last new model we had I went with Bibbo and Tony to see it being featured at Top Gear. That was in 2008 and, for context, a fit and healthy Schmacher was pretending to be the Stig.  The re-bumpered, re-engined and re-upholstered cars since then are not new models no matter how great they are.

Where's the new stuff? Where are the new cars that will grab the column inches, the YouTube minutes and the Instagram likes? Where's the new stuff that will make it worthwhile seeking out the stand at Goodwood or even worthwhile having a stand at Geneva? Where are the new models that will eventually succumb to endless Limited Editions while we moan about waiting for  the next new stuff?

We've had nothing but empty promises for years and it's only been the genius of the engineers being able to successfully tinker with the existing line-up and the loyalty of a handful of Lotus enthusiasts that have kept the production line from collecting cobwebs. Utterly and repetitively exasperating.

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It’s hard to imagine how Dany Bahar didn’t get any of his concepts into the real world 

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