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Popular Post razad 83 Posted October 22, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Hello from Sweden. Went from Elise S2 to Exige Scura to Ferrari 458 to Cup 380. Airbag delete, no stereo, no sound insulation and 4-point harness. 11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramjet 1,093 Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 So how does the 380 compare to the 458? Up or down or no comparison as they are very different cars? Quote All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit. Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others. Link to post Share on other sites
rs200evo 36 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Which grey is this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
razad 83 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 11 hours ago, ramjet said: So how does the 380 compare to the 458? Up or down or no comparison as they are very different cars? Totally different cars. But as I prefer to track the car often the 458 cannot compare with Lotus. 25 minutes ago, rs200evo said: Which grey is this? Metallic grey. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NW76 499 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, razad said: Totally different cars. But as I prefer to track the car often the 458 cannot compare with Lotus. Metallic grey. Re 458: thats intersting ... because its slower or because of its running costs when you track it a lot? The 458 still is high on my list but probably as a Speciale ... would anyway keep my Exige though ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waky 71 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Performance to $ is a lot higher in the Exige than it is in a Ferrari. Ferrari must be a lot quicker, unless on micky-mouse circuits. I think to properly track a Ferrari you definitly need deep pockets, but this concerns all modern supercars I guess. Very nice car btw! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GFWilliams 2,012 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 354bhp/tonne in the exige 380 cup vs 378 in the 458 Italia. The lighter weight benefits in the braking and handling department for the Exige, plus the torque of the supercharger means you don't have to have it singing it push on in the Exige as much as the 458. Biggest advantage of the 458 over the Exige is the gearbox and the friendly handling nature which makes it a lot easier to get it dancing than the Exige, which has a bit more bite to it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
razad 83 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) 41 minutes ago, NW76 said: Re 458: thats intersting ... because its slower or because of its running costs when you track it a lot? The 458 still is high on my list but probably as a Speciale ... would anyway keep my Exige though ... Well, running costs are high of course. But you cannot drive 10 hard laps with the 458 because brake cooling sucks.The Speciale might be a bit better but here in Sweden some have added their own cooling solution for the brakes. Furthermore the stock suspension setting is not optimal either and you have to atleast get some lowering springs to be able to get more tire camber. And of course you have the auto gearbox that might not be perfect but lets you as the driver focus more om steering, gas, brake. Out of the box you should not track it. But for cruising it is perfect, it is a Ferrari after all. Edited October 23, 2017 by razad 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
razad 83 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 38 minutes ago, Waky said: Performance to $ is a lot higher in the Exige than it is in a Ferrari. Ferrari must be a lot quicker, unless on micky-mouse circuits. I think to properly track a Ferrari you definitly need deep pockets, but this concerns all modern supercars I guess. Very nice car btw! Actually I also considered the 570S and the Huracan for a little while before the Cup 380 was released but those cars are similar to the 458. Even if you afford to buy them it doesn't mean owning is affordable. Running costs are high and if you want fun for your money none of them will get near the Lotus. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nerobi 219 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 http://www.evo.co.uk/lotus/exige/20158/lotus-exige-380-cup-review-leaner-faster-and-harder-than-ever-before 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post stephenwhyte 2,006 Posted October 23, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Very cool interior photo from that Evo review Nerobi - thanks 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Maxi_z 106 Posted October 30, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Hi To all I just got an exige cup 380 from pb racing in Italy that replaced a trackday exige cup 260 The car is really beautiful and well made considered that it s still based on the old lotus chassis I will use it mainly for the track but will try not to upset too much the original details I made some road km to switzerland and back for break in and then got the car serviced at pb racing ant the front end filmed for stone chips and alignment done as a first step by maxing out oem camber at the front (around -1.2 each wheel) but will then modify the camber arms to get more camber. The car noise is amazing with the std exhaust and even if later I modify something I think I would want to keep the oem valved silencer as it s really silent with valve closed and noisy and nice on valve open I would then just change the manifolds and fit a single sports cat. On track It feels of course more powerful but slightly heavier than my exige cup 260 and around a twisty track it s about the same lap time considering the older car had some modifications. The car is overall excellent the brakes are really good considering the std brake pads that shoould be ds2500 and I really like how the nitron dampers work even comared to the older ohlins or to other brands of competition suspension that I tried on other cars as penske proflex or intrax (even if all of them are really good) The main downside is the lack of limited slip differential I knew that before buying the car off course and I know what lotus officially say to justify it and that you wont feel it so much on the road but especially for a cup version on the track is almost ridiculous to have a wheel spin by itself if you are too agressive and it s really not up to the rest of the car to lack the diff. Other known things is the lack of throttle response for blipping the throttle on downshifts and the too low rev limiter too close to the peak power. I would really like to know if someone can remap the throttle response or if that poor throttle response is due to other things as ecu low end mapping or cats or other? The gearbox is also really nice but on track it would be slightly better with some stiffer engine and gearbox mounts I think. Edited October 30, 2017 by Maxi_z 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chumaxa 97 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 I guess the throttle response is when all is off ? It is weird because on the normal v6 I feel like there is a compensatro actuatly to increase the throttle on heel and toe .. DO you plan to fit the LSD then ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CRM82 78 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Cool, it looks similar to mine, I think I saw a few Instagram pictures of this beast! I will take mine to Hockenheim next weekend, I am so excited about trying it! Where do you feel the lack of slip differential? Slow sharp turns? Does it unsettle the car or what is the effect you get.. I lack experience on this side. Did you changed regulations for the Nitron for track? Looks like standard compression is quite soft while rebound is very aggressive, with 6 behind. Any feedback? Hope we see around some time. Ciao! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CRM82 78 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Maxi_z said: I did not change the nitron settings when on track but yesterday I noticed that also my nitron were not setted as the manual say but similar to yours at around 6 from full closed in compression I still got to drive it with the manual suggested settings Oh, that sounds interesting.. I asked to the garage where I got the car and they say the settings were made by Lotus.. I wrote to Lotus asking about a potential mistake in the manual and they say I should use the one on the manual.. what the hell!! The settings were quite different: 6 compresion all around and 11-12 rebound front and rear. Could you check what you have for rebound also? After the garage put normal setting I feel the car more comfortable and handling looks good although no experience yet on track. I suppose on track, from standard settings, I can harder a bit compression, (maybe to 10) but not sure what to do with rebound.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Pits 4,411 Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 OK I'll move the diff related posts over to the Diff debate. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maxi_z 106 Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 18 hours ago, Cristiano said: Oh, that sounds interesting.. I asked to the garage where I got the car and they say the settings were made by Lotus.. I wrote to Lotus asking about a potential mistake in the manual and they say I should use the one on the manual.. what the hell!! The settings were quite different: 6 compresion all around and 11-12 rebound front and rear. Could you check what you have for rebound also? After the garage put normal setting I feel the car more comfortable and handling looks good although no experience yet on track. I suppose on track, from standard settings, I can harder a bit compression, (maybe to 10) but not sure what to do with rebound.. I already put the manual settings but I think it was set similar to yours with the compression around 6 or 7 all around and 11 or 12 rebound front and maybe even more rebound clicks on the rear I think that it was ok but not perfectly setted on track I would think that the manual setting would be better to start with Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jokke Vlo 281 Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) On 30-10-2017 at 14:40, Maxi_z said: Hi To all On track It feels of course more powerful but slightly heavier than my exige cup 260 and around a twisty track it s about the same lap time considering the older car had some modifications. The car is overall excellent the brakes are really good considering the std brake pads that shoould be ds2500 and I really like how the nitron dampers work even comared to the older ohlins or to other brands of competition suspension that I tried on other cars as penske proflex or intrax (even if all of them are really good) Other known things is the lack of throttle response for blipping the throttle on downshifts and the too low rev limiter too close to the peak power. I would really like to know if someone can remap the throttle response or if that poor throttle response is due to other things as ecu low end mapping or cats or other? VERY nice car ! I hope I am wrong but I read exactly the same experience as I had on my 380. Put it on a dyno and check your figures matches the claim Lotus makes. I hope I am not right in my feeling. Anyway with a hard limiter exactly at the peak performance you loose around 20hp in reality for sure. Pls check my dyno result where you see the ecu gives you a huge amount of torque at low rpm and not at all in a nice curve. This gives drivers a good feeling, a lot of wheelspin and a good 0-100 result, but...........(in my car) it masks the (in my case for sure) the false (marketing) figures. Your experience is very very close to mine on track. A lot of Lotus fans didn't believe me untill I had the hard figures. I can tell you I have a totally different car now. If the car would have performed as told, I would never had to go to Komotec. But now happy I have been there. They did a honest and very good job. 22 hours ago, Cristiano said: Cool, it looks similar to mine, I think I saw a few Instagram pictures of this beast! I will take mine to Hockenheim next weekend, I am so excited about trying it! Where do you feel the lack of slip differential? Slow sharp turns? Does it unsettle the car or what is the effect you get.. I lack experience on this side. Did you changed regulations for the Nitron for track? Looks like standard compression is quite soft while rebound is very aggressive, with 6 behind. Any feedback? Hope we see around some time. Ciao! Indeed you are right on the settings, I have many difficulties to get it right. I will test (normally) on thursday at circuit Zolder. Edited October 31, 2017 by Jokke Vlo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jokke Vlo 281 Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Maxi_z said: I already put the manual settings but I think it was set similar to yours with the compression around 6 or 7 all around and 11 or 12 rebound front and maybe even more rebound clicks on the rear I think that it was ok but not perfectly setted on track I would think that the manual setting would be better to start with This is my standaard Track setting: Front bump 3 Rebound 4 Rear bump 4 Rebound 4 I rather put bump harder instead of softer I have to change. Sometimes, on fast tracks, I have understeer on corner exit, it helped to change rebound to 6 even 7 wit front bump on 4 But I never felt really "good" on Nitron, I would think it needs stiffer/shorter springs on track. (but as I like to use my Exige for road too I didn't change) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CRM82 78 Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) On 10/31/2017 at 16:30, Jokke Vlo said: This is my standaard Track setting: Front bump 3 Rebound 4 Rear bump 4 Rebound 4 I rather put bump harder instead of softer I have to change. Sometimes, on fast tracks, I have understeer on corner exit, it helped to change rebound to 6 even 7 wit front bump on 4 But I never felt really "good" on Nitron, I would think it needs stiffer/shorter springs on track. (but as I like to use my Exige for road too I didn't change) Thanks for sharing your settings! You go very hard with them, but I guess that is normal for a pro! I am not sure if spring are different from Sport to Cup, given that road settings from Lotus are different. Maybe we can verify this with some pictures. I will start from road settings and progressively get harder on the bump. Rebound is 9 and 6 already. My dealer soften front sway bar for track and added a bit of camber (-1.3 from 0.8). He told me to have more a non reversible modification has to been made. But to start I hope this is OK. By the way: I saw your video - amazing sound! Edited November 2, 2017 by Cristiano Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CRM82 78 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) On 10/23/2017 at 14:16, nerobi said: http://www.evo.co.uk/lotus/exige/20158/lotus-exige-380-cup-review-leaner-faster-and-harder-than-ever-before Have you noticed that they say "The dampers offer a range of 16 settings in compression and 20 in rebound, and Lotus recommends a ‘road and track’ setting to stop customers getting into a setup muddle." However that is not correct as in the manual only road settings are written.. Edited November 3, 2017 by Cristiano Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IcemanTM 16 Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 For the joy of the "very last exige, the last last and no more will be done, the 380cup" owners: http://www.lotuscars.com/news/corporate/new-lotus-exige-cup-430-unlimited-edition Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CRM82 78 Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 2 hours ago, IcemanTM said: For the joy of the "very last exige, the last last and no more will be done, the 380cup" owners: http://www.lotuscars.com/news/corporate/new-lotus-exige-cup-430-unlimited-edition ... is this a joke? I mean: for those like me that bought a "limited edition 380 cup" with the promise of having something "exclusive" this is basically killing the value of our cars, that was presented only 5 months ago. Would have been ok if they produced 10 of these.. but unlimited... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cbaileyuk 57 Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) Exclusivity and Lotus parted ways a long long long time ago. They will ship 'new' versions of the same car incessantly. Exclusivity, where it exists is largely down to lack of sales. Edited November 9, 2017 by cbaileyuk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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