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Ok now we can go for again a wave of "new models"

410 sport

430 sport

450 cup R

and after that we can still ad another robo-gearbox to sell again "new" models.

Exactly one year ago my dealer said that ther will never never come something els as a 360 cup, the 380 sport would be the last Exige.

In Exactly one year we have 380 cup, 430 cup.

Nice ! 

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Follow up on mine.... still doing ok and a fantastic car.....

Here's the 1st 380 Cup registered in Switzerland. And apparently the 2nd one manufactured........ so far I LOVE IT.....much improvement over the 360 Cup IMHO....

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... agree... not the best situation...

I am still a happy camper with my EX460 ... I have almost everything the Cup 430 has,  but have even more thrust and some additional special goodies (AIM display and data recording etc) for much less money ...  

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59 minutes ago, cbaileyuk said:

Exclusivity and Lotus parted ways a long long long time ago. They will ship 'new' versions of the same car incessantly. 

Exclusivity, where it exists is largely down to lack of sales.

Still around 1000 times rarer than a shite same old Porsche. 1 of 10, 60 or 550 cars istill much better than being as common as a turd in a sewage works. Even if its a quality turd.

Funny how Porsche and others get away with it. But when Lotus do it.....

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Well, kinda sucks for 380 cup owners. Myself being one.

It's £17k more than the 380 cup. So not exactly in the same price category.

It sucks a lot for me because I put in my order in may and i haven't taken delivery of my car yet. It just arrived at the port 10 days ago.

I didn't get to enjoy my "exclusivity". Didn't even see my car yet.

Is that fair? 10 days after arrival to port a new much better exige is announced? 

I may have considered 430 cup as it looks 99% the same. 

Oh well...would have sucked anyway even if I had received mine months ago. 

 

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When you say 'bearing in mind how quickly the 380 Cups sold' then end with showroom based dealer Cups...that is somewhat of a juxtaposition. 

At least four of the brand new 380 Cups have sat as ads on Pistonheads for months and months. They didn't really sell quickly.

 

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Fair point but when I was at Lotus for the factory tour to see my Cup I was told they could have sold the 380's twice over and had quite a few people waiting for the next version so I am sure the 430 will be very popular and I really wasn't surprised to see it come to market.

As for myself I wanted my own spec and wouldn't have been interested in the ones on Pistonheads so this could be the same for others I guess.

 

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Fully understand speccing your own car, and I can understand why current Cup owners may be pee'd off also. Thing is though, some of this 'sold out' batch went to dealers and they are still for sale and have been for a long time. Lotus saying they could have sold them twice over - they would say that though.

When you said '17k more' for the 430, what did you mean by that? Is that the price differential?

 

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I wouldn't get hung up on this. It's quite a lot more money for not much real-world gain, and it doesn't make the car you bought any less of a car!

I had the same situation with my 250 Cup - while I'm awaiting delivery Lotus launch the 260 Cup :) I was offered the opportunity to switch my order, but declined. It doesn't offer enough to justify the price hike - I remain very happy with what I've ordered

@Vipers Caterham 620R - Ooh that'll be a beast :)

 

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@BAS you'll get your exclusivity as if it took you 6 months to get your car delivered how long do you think it will take for a 430 CUP to get there?

I'm seeing what deals are going on 380 Cups that dealers have in stock. Suddenly the opportunity to own an "exclusive" limited car is quite attractive....  Always winners and losers.

46 minutes ago, cbaileyuk said:

I addressed the exclusivity point in my second line.

OH Ok, So you can't flog a dead horse so crate another one and call it a dead elephant and it still will not sell?  Don't get it. If they can't sell them then why invest anything in the next one as a manufacturer?  Don't think you addressed it at all to be honest. But then, hey ho...

 

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Basically you have to order a car when you are ready, there is always going to be something better around the corner, this kind of business model hasn't stopped Apple being successful.

 

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I think it is very unfortunate timing, they don't leave enough time for people to buy the cars so the incentive to wait for the next version is too big and this makes dealer's life miserable.

If I am a dealer, I wont want to buy a demo car anymore as what is the point of having a demo of an outdated car?

Dealers are loaded with 380 cup and will feel hard done here. I am not even sure that the 430 is that much more desirable than the 380 excluding the fact that it exists!

Feels like they rolled this too early. 2 new Exige in the same year cannot help sales and I very much doubt someone will decide they didn't want the 380 cup and will now change their mind and buy a 430 cup because that was the car they wanted!

 

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9 minutes ago, cbaileyuk said:

Is the price difference between a 380 and a 430 17k Vipers? It reads more like much less to me. 

I actually requested the price list from my dealer today to compare the spec of my 380 v the 430, I'll have a look later and will compare the final prices and will let you know.

I am a big Lotus fan but I have to agree that they are bringing out too many models at the moment that are too similar and are released too close together, I can see how it would put a lot of people buying anything in reality.

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380 cup was £83k

430 cup is £99.7k

So yeah almost 17k difference. But then again the 430 cup has the titanium exhaust as standard (£5.5k option).

So if u are a 380 cup owner who specced the titanium exhaust, it's almost 12k difference.

I didn't spec the titanium exhaust, so I don't feel bad as it was Gona be a 17k difference to what I paid! 

 

 

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I too think the Lotus brand is cool and have done for many, many years but it has gone in a very strange and confusing direction with the Exige. I understand why they may do this but I don't agree with it long term. The 'two new Exiges' this year doesn't really get anywhere near the confusing mess of different models which are all the same in reality - the biggest *real* change is the current one, charge cooled and that deserves to be seen as quite different. However, it didn't really need 350 Sport, 350 Hethel, 360 Cup, 380 Sport, 380 Cup on its journey there :(

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380 cup was £83k4

30 cup is £99.7k

So yeah almost 17k difference. But then again the 430 cup has the titanium exhaust as standard (£5.5k option).

So if u are a 380 cup owner who specced the titanium exhaust, it's almost 12k difference.

I didn't spec the titanium exhaust, so I don't feel bad as it was Gona be a 17k difference to what I paid! 

 

 

Most of the Cups on the market are 90>92k so I expect that must be optioned a bit then.

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8 minutes ago, cbaileyuk said:

I too think the Lotus brand is cool and have done for many, many years but it has gone in a very strange and confusing direction with the Exige. I understand why they may do this but I don't agree with it long term. The 'two new Exiges' this year doesn't really get anywhere near the confusing mess of different models which are all the same in reality - the biggest *real* change is the current one, charge cooled and that deserves to be seen as quite different. However, it didn't really need 350 Sport, 350 Hethel, 360 Cup, 380 Sport, 380 Cup on its journey there :(

Most of the Cups on the market are 90>92k so I expect that must be optioned a bit then.

Totally agree with you - didn't need all the previous models with this jump. I think they caught us all by surprise as we were expecting a 390/400 exige if anything.

A chargecooled exige is definitely welcome and long overdue. Though I wonder how many will be buying it at this price point.

Prices I provided are basic spec (no additional options e.g. no aircon).

 

 

 

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When I bought the Exige cup 380 I knew that they were probably going to make that kind of exige few months later.

If you read between the lines it s almost easy to see...

Lotus is making a lot of versions of every model as soon as they can without waiting a lot of time

They could not really do much more than what s included in the cup 380 using the same base car except the upgraded supercharger

They had to get rid of lots of parts they probably had in stock as older 1320 compressors etc

They already have the engine configuration that works with the evora and 3 11 supercharger without having to spend money on new engineering and already have the parts

And why should they wait after the 380 cup are all sold? They as a company need new money and new orders so if it s possible for them to build new cars they will do it

I expected that the newer exige to be with the evora and 3 11 chargecooler setup but I was expecting them to first release some exige sport 400 something or exige gt 400 something and some restilyng a little more similar to the 3 11

but not to make directly another cup version.

I also notice that the front and small rear wing edges make it look a little lighter and more like the elise and that they also did not fit the side skirts as the elise cup 260.

It should be fitted with a torsen differential as the evora but I did not see anything about it who knows with lotus.

So I m not really disappointed as there are a few things that I prefer on the exige cup 380 as the front winglets the side skirts the rear wing and the standard alcantara seats and

also I think that they are doing finally the exact thing they should do making a full power version with the cup details that are what makes the car more special and unlimited so for the people who can and want to pay the price tag it can be a car

used on the trackdays and not some collector item.

I think the price is as expensive as the 380 cup but if you are interested in the extra power it would not be cheaper to fit some supercharger kit bigger clutch etc.

I m sure that with the 3 11 supercharger the car is much faster and could be easely mapped with manifold and sport cat to 460bhp than the limit is the standard gearbox.

 

 

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Well, Cristiano, bear with me....  I bought the 360 cup and 6 months later Lotus lauches the 380.... I swap to the 380 Cup, take delivery in July and now in November they launch this most desirable 430 Cup.... had I known for sure I would have waited.... 4 more months.... but again, most car manufacturer do a little bit of that...... I had 3 GT3s and 10 years ago, Porsche tuners built 4.0 l engines..... Porsche waited several years before increasing it to 4.0 l with Porsche 997 GT3 RS and 500 HP.....same thing with the RS.... a few additional gadgets and poneys and CHF 50k more..... car manufacturer purpose is to make money.... and eventually I believe Mr Gales found a nice way to bring Lotus back to profitability.... he did his classes in Germany, and he is a genius and we can only congratulate him......since he is one of the reasons we'll have more stunning Lotuses in the future..... another word of advice, follow me....and if I buy a new car waite 6 months till a better one comes out........ now I think I'm done for the next 18 - 24 months.... AT LEAST.... waite and see.... I was told by my dealer that the 430 Cup should well be in the range of CHF 150k.....so we're getting into GT3 991 1st édition 2nd hand.... but I think there's a market if the car has phénoménal performances which remain to be proven for good....2:35 in Spa, 7:20 - 7:30 at Nurburgring  and than they can double production shifts at Hethel.... Anyway I'm not too mad..... just a little... a big little... on the other hand I'm very very very happy that Lotus comes out with this new Charge cooled engine......HOURRAH...

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Never mind the Cup 380, the original V6 Cup is still cool, still totally inspirational to drive, still on the pace (and then some) at trackdays.

Cup 380 will always be special, fast, rare and gorgeous.

I'm not buying the argument in favour of waiting 4 years between updates. Cayman GT4 was long overdue. Most people would be delighted if there was already a GT4RS and they would be queuing up to buy them. It seems to me that the complaint is really that buyers want Lotus to make the best, lightest, fastest, greatest and then stop as soon as they own one! We've waited 2 years for a chargecooled Exige, if it was delayed another 2 years I guarantee everyone would be saying it's 'too late'. We've all known it's coming. Anyone with a Cup 380 must also have at least suspected it and bought one anyway. I congratulate them, they have an epic car, one I would be very proud to own. I think it might be slightly better looking than the 430 too.

The real issue is for the dealers sitting on stock. I feel for them. Quite a few handovers planned for this weekend. Do I feel sorry for 380 Cup owners? No, I'm still just as envious as I was before!

 

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I Think that apart the wondeful work lotus did on many details of the car already on all the older versions I would say that what is a little wrong is not at all what they are doing today finally offering a full spec version of the car with it s full performance, cup branding and unlimited so it s really available for sale.

I think that s excellent and it s the opposite of what other brands as porsche do for their gt cars that then are not used as they should and become a collectors item which is good for investment or not to loose money on a car but less good for using the cars and enjoying them and they get a lot of critics for that.

What is not good is what they do before releasing that model by artificially limiting the look and performance of the models before it by emptying their stock of older parts and sell the older compressors etc when it s a long time they could have came out with an exige 430 as they got all the parts and engineering already, and releasing the cool features one by one on each different model and not using some features they already have as they know they should keep them for the next model.

If you look at the older 2zz exige range I think you can see and appreciate the first 192 bhp na exige, the first exige s with a supercharger, the 240 r, or the cup 260, but can easely see that the versions in between as nice as they all are are marketing steps that were not really necessary and artificially limited sometimes (as the first supercharger versions with a limited throttle opening)

That s I think not so respectful for customers but making better in better cars and a version as the 430 cup is business for them and a really nice car for the customers.

 

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Look how cool your 260 Cup still looks in your avatar, I'd still love one of those!

Also some comfort I hope for 380 Cup owners, that the 360 Cup values held up really well even after the 380 Cup was announced. Still quite a premium for those over the original V6 Cup. I'm sure the same will be true of the Cup 380. None of these cars are available in large numbers because everyone bought Porsches instead!

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