Jacques 965 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Oh well, the new master does not fit, or rather that the fitting that makes it possible going from what ever thread the original Gorling have, to the braided clutch hose I bought from SW, does not fit on the new master. The new one have M10 and then I need ??? for the braided clutch hose. SJ's braided hose use a smaller fitting for their hose kit. So I really don't know about British threds etc. Does anyone happen to know what SW's fitting for their hose is? Kind regards, Jacques. Quote Nobody does it better - than Lotus Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM Barrykearley 7,153 Posted July 12, 2017 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'm really looking forward to hitting this problem head on myself ?..... good luck chap Quote Only here once Link to post Share on other sites
Chillidoggy 4,466 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Jacques, it might be worth investing in a thread gauge that will tell you the pitch, or threads per inch for future reference. They're cheap enough, I use them all the time. Quote Margate Exotics. Link to post Share on other sites
CHANGES 1,289 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 This is a standard problem you will come up against. It a simple fix just buy the adapter... If not sure on the threads contact PNM Pete will stock the part.. Or go to you local hydraulic parts outlet who will also have the part.. You will be moving from imperial to metric that's all... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM Barrykearley 7,153 Posted July 12, 2017 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'll be popping mine to pirtek to supply the bits Quote Only here once Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Jacques 965 Posted July 13, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Problem solved and Little Red Riding Hood runs ágain. So, I drove two times 100 kilometers late last night to get the correct adapter. Was fortunate enough that the seller had an emergency numer I responded to. I don't know what SW had in mind when they made this braided clutch hose set, but it's rather strange 7/16" and a very strange thread. Then fun part is because it'sM10*1 thread in the new master cylinder (and the correct bore etc.). Which happens to be the same like SJ uses btw. (M10, but both ends of the male/male adapter, which is why their hosekit is slim enough to better pass through the chassis bores when installing first time). Anyway, I finally found one adapter (the ONLY supplier of this kind of Things in Denmark) and drove home and installed it late last night (literally). Today I had a few friends coming by and stepping, topping up and bleeding. Made swiftly and clutch operation is back to fully normal. In fact slightly better, despite my already new hose, slave and fluid, because of the soon to fail old clutch master cylinder had become unstable in operation, ever so slightly, til it finally colapsed. I warmed it up and drove it to 7400, slooooowly moved it etc, and all is good. Leason learned: keep changing parts preventatively. A big thanks gents, and certainly also to Yasuo, Martin and Claus. This forum never fails to prove it's value because of the great knowledge and helpfullness that it's members practices. Kind regards, Jacques 4 Quote Nobody does it better - than Lotus Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM Barrykearley 7,153 Posted July 13, 2017 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Nice to hear yours is fixed. I'm hoping mine will follow suit very shortly Quote Only here once Link to post Share on other sites
ramjet 1,092 Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Quote All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit. Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others. Link to post Share on other sites
Jacques 965 Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 So, Barry, is your clutch pedal also stuck in the bottom position? And if so, did you order a new master cylinder? Like one here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nash-Metropolitan-1952-1960-5-8-Bore-Center-Valve-Clutch-Master-Cylinder-w-Res-/311914519106?hash=item489f8dda42:g:OegAAOSw44BYNcvw&vxp=mtr or this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Austin-A95-A105-New-5-8-Bore-Center-Valve-Clutch-Master-Cylinder-w-Reservoir-/282568009647?hash=item41ca5da7af:g:wfkAAOSwiDFYNGZB&vxp=mtr Plus the appropriate male/male adapter, depending if the new master has a M10 thread and which clutch hose you are using. Which year is your Esprit? The point for me, but your car is right handed, so may vary was, that there's reinforcement of the brake master bracket, that crosses over to the clutch master bolte, manking it a bit tight to reach. Anyway, as I mentioned, a grinded Down 10mm ring spanner made it easy enough. ½ hout to take off, ½ hour to bolt on, incl. the footwell, plus one hour bleeding it all. I jsut ahd to spend some hours going forth and back to get the right parts But that is also a part of the fun. When the old master cylinder collapsed, it also turned the fresh clutch fluid all Black. Nasty stuff that looks exactly like cola. Probably tasted the same Kind regards, Jacques Quote Nobody does it better - than Lotus Link to post Share on other sites
Vanya 568 Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 Jacques, can you refurbish your old one? Is the bore scored? Seriously it's worth saving and having on the shelf if all you need is new seals! Quote Vanya Stanisavljevic '91 Esprit SE | '97 XK8 Link to post Share on other sites
Chillidoggy 4,466 Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 Forget it, Vanya. It's really not worth the hassle unless they're NLA. Quote Margate Exotics. Link to post Share on other sites
Vanya 568 Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 Heh, you'd be surprised at how many times refurbishing original parts to have on the side has saved me; actually almost every time I bought some piece of shit aftermarket part that needed to be switched out for the original. Happened with my slave cylinder, master cylinder seals (I suffered the same problem as Jacques), aftermarket injectors..... In each instance I'd cleaned up each part, fitted new seals and in the case of the injectors had them cleaned, flow checked and fitted with new o-rings. 2 Quote Vanya Stanisavljevic '91 Esprit SE | '97 XK8 Link to post Share on other sites
Jacques 965 Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 I was told that the original Girling 5/8" master cylinder is nla. only the unmarked sub part. The piston is stuck, so cannot comment on scoring. I'll have a look tomorrow. Meanwhile, maybe someone on here have a good idea of how to release it? Kind regards, Jacques. Quote Nobody does it better - than Lotus Link to post Share on other sites
ramjet 1,092 Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Some very light oil and compressed air would be my idea. I am not sure how much pressure the filler cap can withstand though? Quote All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit. Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others. Link to post Share on other sites
Vanya 568 Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 +1 on this. It can withstand a fair bit. I can't recall what I had to use, but it was a lot. The cap held. I'd just suggest ramping up the pressure slowly so as to not overdo it straight off the bat. Quote Vanya Stanisavljevic '91 Esprit SE | '97 XK8 Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM Barrykearley 7,153 Posted July 15, 2017 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 8 hours ago, Jacques said: I was told that the original Girling 5/8" master cylinder is nla. only the unmarked sub part. The piston is stuck, so cannot comment on scoring. I'll have a look tomorrow. Meanwhile, maybe someone on here have a good idea of how to release it? Kind regards, Jacques. Lob it in the bin and use a new one - problem solved Quote Only here once Link to post Share on other sites
Vanya 568 Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Hahahah oh man, you guys earn waaaaaaay too much money Quote Vanya Stanisavljevic '91 Esprit SE | '97 XK8 Link to post Share on other sites
Chillidoggy 4,466 Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Whaaaaat? £48 + VAT for a brand new one from SJ, and that's without looking around for a cheaper alternative. There's no way I'd be salvaging a knackered old one, especially as it's a pain in the arse to change, because you might find it doesn't work, then you have to do the job again. And if it does work, it could work for ages, or it might let you down in the middle of nowhere, or at an inopportune moment. To me it's just not a cost-effective method, unless it's NLA (or seriously expensive). I reconditioned my Mini-van brake master cylinder many years ago, and it worked OK until it didn't: it failed, and I drove the van into my garden fence and knocked it down. Thankfully only my pride was injured, but I've never taken any chances with hydraulics since! But, each to his own. 2 Quote Margate Exotics. Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM Barrykearley 7,153 Posted July 15, 2017 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232328945088 £19...... fits mine a treat Quote Only here once Link to post Share on other sites
Vanya 568 Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 31 minutes ago, ian29gte said: I reconditioned my Mini-van brake master cylinder many years ago, and it worked OK until it didn't: it failed, and I drove the van into my garden fence and knocked it down. Thankfully only my pride was injured, but I've never taken any chances with hydraulics since! Forgive me, but this cracked me up. Point taken. Quote Vanya Stanisavljevic '91 Esprit SE | '97 XK8 Link to post Share on other sites
Jacques 965 Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 The one you show Barry, is not the one I have. Mine is lighter grey and possibly another brand. But never mind as long as it fits correctly and have the correct bore. Honestly I see what you are pointing out Ian, but I am stil with Vanya on trying to get the original one renovated. For example it's nicer made inside, where it has an Integrated fluid level marker. Anyway, I might have a go at it, and will see if it turns out being usable or not. Just for the fun of it. The slave is another matter. Rusty old cast iron - whiiiiiiiiiiizzzzzzzzzz - bin. Oh well, it's been sold. I think it's more like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clutch-Master-Cylinder-fits-Landrover-Defender-Discovery-Diesel-Warranty-/231353922320?epid=1748781026&hash=item35ddc4b310:g:WX0AAOSwF1dUM0Ms&vxp=mtr But I cannot see the specs on that one either. Like the correct bore etc. Kind regards, Jacques. Quote Nobody does it better - than Lotus Link to post Share on other sites
Chillidoggy 4,466 Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Vanya said: Forgive me, but this cracked me up. Point taken. I omitted to mention that right behind the fence at the time of the accident was the wooden kennel that my cats used to use for shelter. They were dozing in it at the time, and the wife saw it being knocked down the garden with both cats in it. The cats cleared off immediately it got shunted, and were unhurt. So, I had to repair the fence, and the kennel, too. Quote Margate Exotics. Link to post Share on other sites
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