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7 hours ago, The Pits said:

The most obvious question is why wasn't it called an Evora 430 Cup? Everything about it suggests it was done by the same crowd who did the 380 Cup, wheel arch vents, central wiper, f-off carbon rear wing and the rest.

My best guess is that they are planning another 4?? Cup, maybe even a 430 Cup so they can't have two many versions of the Cup beginning with a 4. Maybe they'll never do an Evora Cup but I'll wager there will be an Exige 4?? Cup before 2019. 

Do you think JMG and his staff are planning a more extreme car - which a Cup version would necesarily be ? 

If we all noticed that the GT430 has left some fat on (sound deadening,  air conditionning...) There won't be much to work with powertrain wise with the current package. I can almost assure that they left little to nothing on that package if they are to keep this package together.

I always favoured the GT moniker for the top spec Evora cause for me Cup cars are eligible for the Lotus Cup Series, which I still feel the Evora should not due to the power advantage, I know it doesn't work like that but I really liked the Type 124 plan and would prefer to see Evoras racing in GT while the Exiges and Elises do race in Cup. 

 

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Sound deadening and ac are options - just like they are on all other existing Cup variants. 

I agree that room has been left for something more - but weight loss  won't be From options  as it's already not included

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18 minutes ago, DaveC72 said:

@anthonyyule that was very eloquently put.  Thank you.  And massive congratulations on your purchase - I am massively jealous :)

I really don't get the snobbery around the "Camry" engine.  Having rocked through just over 40K miles in 29 months I have to say I would much rather have the Toyota lump behind me than any number of  exotic power-plants.  The engineering to get this kind of performance from this power-plant within tolerances is mighty impressive.

The obsession with dick waving bhp numbers is something I'll leave to the pub-bores.  Surely Lotus should be commended for staying true to it's principles, the benefits of which can be read in a pretty decent article here.

It may, and probably does, sound a bit rich coming from someone who will (unless my circumstances change dramatically) only ever be purchasing a second hand Lotus, but I think Lotus really needs to move up in the value proposition.  I'm not saying abandon it's core market, but Lotus does suffer from a kind of inverse snobbery around pricing outside of the community.  The kind of customer that Lotus should be adding to it's target audience will often dismiss a car as being "too cheap".  Go figure.

As a community we  all  mostly want a mid-engined, Vsomething, 900Kg, eleventy hundred bhp sports car for about £30K.  If Lotus was building the volume of cars to make that even a remote possibility then I guess it just wouldn't be Lotus anymore.  I'm not saying that Lotus shouldn't have a plan to become a higher volume car maker - but I wouldn't want to see it become a machine chucking out soul-less clones by the thousand.

Back on topic, +1 request for some photo-shopped images - ideally in FYEO trim! 

 

Couldn't agree more. I think it's testament to the engine that it can be used over various platforms. Ok, it isn't a V8/V10/V12 and it never will be, but it gives more than adequate performance for the vast majority of cars and driver abilities. I applaud Lotus for selecting such an engine so it can concentrate on the other areas and build fantastic cars. I've done approximately 25k in my Evora in 2 years (2GR-FE), and nearly 15k in 6 months in my Lexus GS450H (2GR-FSE), all of them without issue and in comfort. The engine has a good balance of performance/reliability and... economy!  I'm definitely a Toyota/Lexus/Lotus fanboi, I've had various highly tuned Supras, MR2s, along with Ravs, Landcruisers, Lexus RX, GS and they've all had fantastic quality and reliability. The use of a Toyota engine was a deciding factor in me getting an Evora in the first place.

I won't be in the market for  £100k+ car for at least 5-10 years, but if I was, the new Evora would be right at the top of my list, even if it will probably be surpassed by something else within a few years. :) 

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10 hours ago, Bibs said:

It's $1bn to build your own engine from blank sheet to showroom nowadays, I'm not sure Lotus are quite there yet and I, for one, forgive them for that! 

Not denying this. But I think the point is that the £30k suggestion has to recover that £1b, which seems marginal if you considet it in these terms. 


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3 hours ago, anthonyyule said:

I'm really really REALLY struggling with these price comparisons.

540c - no options at all - £124k

Audi R8 - no options at all - £123.5k

Lotus Evora GT430 - no options at all - £112.5k

so can we just stop please?

i keep hearing the "it's almost double the price of a GT4"....... no no it's not. Even if you could buy one, nobody that really knew the car or the brand would have bought one with NO options as it's resale would be terrible, not to mention it would have none of the cool Porsche toys that they entice you in with during their marketing.A friend of mine has a GT4..... spent weeks agonising over the spec - and sought counsel online with many other Porsche users as to what was an adequate spec. His final bill - despite him going for the only "free" colour choice..... £120k.

so again - let's just stop and have a little think to ourselves. Who, who is going to buy a Macca or a Porsche or a Audi - and not spend anything at all on options. Who is going spend £100k plus but not get the little niceties that makes it just a little bit more special? And with that sort of brand also comes some serious servicing costs as many have already mentioned.

ive not mentioned track focussed. I don't think that's the real question here. My 430 will never get tracked - but adored for the perfect blend of capability, looks and rarity - but with the knowledge that what lies beneath would make it pretty much the fastest point to point thing around me at the time. For the pric, with all the carbon and additional engineering that has gone into this - in today's [email protected] up global economy - I think is a bloody well good job done by Lotus.

I appreciate your response, and I congratulate you on your purchase, no doubt its a fantastic car! I was merely stating my position.  Also, I am not comparing this to a gt4, as I think the gt4 is no where near the GT430. However, if a friend of yours specced his to 120k, then he clearly went nuts on the options, as you could easily spec a nice gt4 for around the 75-80k.  I know, cos I specced one (but didnt get).  So using your 120k figure for a gt4 comparison is not realistic. Either way, I won't say anything further on this as we have different views on this, which is great, and the whole point of forums! I would still absolutely love to see, touch and drive a GT430 (I doubt I ever will as these things will be rarer than a ferrari f50!!) Awesome purchase, and an absolute weapon!!

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20 minutes ago, The Pits said:

 I'm not convinced a 540 Mac is actually better to drive, quicker no question but paddleshift only which is a big drawback for me. Take away the extra go and is the basic car really any more enjoyable to steer? Most would consider it much cooler I guess and more modern for what that's worth. I will admit the McLaren brand has a lot of appeal on its own.

I hate to say this BUT... it's a big step forward in all departments from my old Evora, feels tighter, the power just keeps coming and the whole car feels more like it's come from an F1 factory... which it has! I like the dual clutch shift too, it's quick, precise, ( a word which applies to the car as a whole ) although I was a fan of IPS too. 

Their big advantage over Lotus is being able to spread the R&D costs, same engine, gearbox, clutch, carbon tub from the 12C onwards made the 540/570 possible at that price... not to mention dropping the active ride suspension and hiring a bunch of ex Lotus bods to sort the more conventional setup on the Sports Series. Throw in bucket loads of tech like brake steer, plus lots of creature comfort and it's an amazing car. On the down side they could learn a lot from B&C about aftersales but they're relatively new to the game. 

That said I really hope Geely give Lotus the funding they deserve, I love the new car, gives me hope for the future and an eventual return to the fold! 

 

 


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Paddleshift is a big step backwards for me for recreational driving. I would feel the same way about an auto-only new Esprit. The brilliance of the Sports Series is that McLaren have managed to dial in some Lotus-like steering feel and chassis response into the package, something I believe the MP412C lacked. But cars like the Evora Sport 410 are still setting the benchmarks in the areas Lotus do so well. But until a new Esprit shows up the McLaren 540/570 might be about as close as we'll get to what it could have been.

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22 minutes ago, The Pits said:

Paddleshift is a big step backwards for me for recreational driving. The brilliance of the Sports Series is that McLaren have managed to dial in some Lotus-like steering feel and chassis response into the package, something I believe the MP412C lacked. But cars like the Evora Sport 410 are still setting the benchmarks in the areas Lotus do so well.

I beleive the same thing. I drove a Mclaren 540C and 570S. These cars are awesome but after that, I drove the Lotus Evora 400. The Lotus is more enjoyable even it's slower. Paddleshift is a big step backwards for recreational driving.

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Wow, the 430 in red with black roof (as seen in the press release further down) is truly beautiful. I always thought the 400 was a major step back in elegance compared to the S1 Evora but this is a return to form. Fabulous. 

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@The Pits, knowing you were considering switching to an Evora Sport 410 from the Exige Cup and some details about what kind of cars you like from writing here and from your videos, how do you feel this new GT430 stacks up in comparison? From a value perspective, I think the GT430 looks very attractive and would be a better (although obviously more expensive) buy than the Sport 410.

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@CorsuI never drove a Macca (540 or 570) yet. My expectations were higher than an Evora 400. I would be curious to see looking at your comments :)

Not talking about power of course, but steering/handling aspects.

This GT430 is quite a masterpiece and I understand it's pricetag in a way... Still a lot of money tho. If I could afford one, agree that the benchmark side would be quite difficult.

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I've driven the 570s extensively and my 410 would'nt see which way it had gone. I loved the paddleshift and it allowed me to concentrate more on burying the car into the corner and firing it out the other side.  I can't afford a 570s and to me the 410 gets closest to the Mc, and I do love my 410. Which is handy :)

Only surprise on the 570 were the brakes which needed more work than I was expecting, the engine note ( all the times I've driven it they were sports exhausts and were a bit ...meh... and its still are arse to get in and out of... 

Await Trevor to further comment on 540c vs Cup/410 etc....

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I think the GT430 pricing looks absolutely reasonable if you look at the rest of the range. For example Silverstone have a manual 400 in stock at 84K and a manual 410 in stock at 92K. As far as I can tell from the blurb, neither has the Titanium exhaust, so you can add 5 grand to those prices straightaway.

Chuck in all the carbon, trick suspension, extra power, gearbox oil cooler, special bodywork and all the other goodies and I think the GT430 looks cheap! Unlikely to depreciate much either.

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@rallyesax  The Steering of the Maca 540/570s is the best I've ever driven. It's a joy. The handling is fantastic and the engine a beast. The car feels much more light than the Huracan LP610-4 that I know very well too. But, for me, the maca are less engaging than the Lotus. OK, the padleshift are great but you loose something. I don't know how explain it but driving the Lotus is like driving an old Ferrari with a better handling. It's sure a lot of less faster but today in France (I don't know England) you can not drive a Mclaren as it must be done, too dangerous .... To enjoy the Mclaren, you have to drive very fast, the rest of the time, it's like driving a Polo, not the case with the Evora. No doubt, the Mclaren is a better car but it's depend on what you are looking for.

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