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The dealers should be given some help from Lotus in this regard. It's quite easy really.

Regular Lotus Customer and Elise Owner Mr A gets his car serviced, if he has an Elise and you know he has a kid on the way, get him an Evora for a few hours while the service is done, price his car up, when he comes back say "Oh did you like that? Here's how much to keep it..."

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On that marketing and customer retention approach, even Land Rover that is peddling thousands of the feckin things out of the door make my missus feel like they actually know her. She had a new un a few years ago and we have books and stuff sent to us, trips to events, experience days sent our way, and guess what, three years later, she's buying another new one. Collect it next week infact. I raise the point that if a brand with 100s of 1000s of customers can keep track, surely Lotus could keep a little Excel spreadsheet of people they have sold to. And just send the odd update and email every so often.

The fact she could have bought an Exige over the depreciation she gets on the two RRs is another argument that I remind her of weekly :P

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It's a fine line. Bought the wife a range topping Qashqai (great car by the way for the money and high 50mpg too, 60mpg on long runs) new 3 years ago. Every freakin' year since, about 1 month before the service is due, I literally get hounded by the dealer (Western in Edinburgh) on the phone (mobile and home) and via email re booking the car in for a service.  Jeez, it's gotten so bad this year (over 15 calls to the mobile alone) that I positively rue the day I bought the car from them.

On the other hand, bought my Evora 2.5 years ago as a used car from MMC Lotus dealer in Edinburgh.  I used finance for part of it whilst I unlocked some cash from investments (it was a spur of the moment purchase), so as part of disclosure they know what my earnings are, and know I should probably by now have traded up to a 410 by now, but never really heard a squeak out of them, it is as if I don't exist. In fact the only marketing I have had is from Stratton Aston Martin as it looks, from other posts I have read, that MMC may have "sold" my data to Stratton.....  Go figure that one.

So, it is a fine line between being "contacted and treated right" and being "stalked and harrassed" but as a Lotus is definitely a life style choice they (Lotus and the dealers) really do need to step up a gear.  These days it seems that you expected to look at the Facebook pages to get the insights. Tough shit if you don't have Facebook as these days you usually need to have a Facebook account to be to see anything on Facebook.

Lotus is in the lifestyle business (Porsche truly gets that), as much as it is in the car business, and until they realise that, and their marketing really does embrace that, they will continue to struggle. Parking a car outside of the Dorchester for a week is just a lazy stunt in my opinion. I mean, how much brain effort did they really take and really, how many cars or converts have they made as a result? Did any of those "special" and "precious" kids making their YouTube videos actually buy a Lotus as a result?

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Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate.  Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies!    

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I constantly get contacted by the Volvo dealer trying  to sell me something. Just last week in three different ways asking if I wanted to attend a "super special invite only VIP event", where they would of course try to sell me another car. As soon as a few months after picking up a new Polestar I got a mailer asking if I wanted to trade it in yet. It's a bit much.

On the other hand, BMW got in touch with me when the new 7-series was launched and offered me the keys not for the afternoon or the day, but for the entire Easter bank holiday weekend - that's doing it properly.

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Sometimes, Dealers are not that good either :ph34r:... I've always been in love with the Evora, even though the rawness of the Elise/Exige and its targa form are very important to me. When the 400 came out, I was one of the rare members in the french Lotus Club to appreciate its new design, and I ask my dealer to organize a test... I've got a very friendly relationship with him, and he told me it wasn't a problem of course. Indeed, his  associate's  car was the Exige I bought and the Evora was replacing it, so it wasn't that complicated :P !

two years later, I still haven't tested the 400,  not to mention the 410 :whistle:! I asked several times, expressed my 410 envy, even offered to take a flight to Toulouse to test the cars there... no success ! he even said few times that he tought the 400 is better than the 410, and adviced to buy it instead :whistle:! I do not know if I would trade for good the Exige for a 410, but I'm very tempted and who can decide such a choice without testing the car :X ?  And we're talking about the european first Lotus seller (it is said so), and he's a genuine Lotus lover and passionnate car guy !

I 'm not angry about him, just disappointed by car sellers in general... and imagine how many cars they could sell if they were doing their job correctly ?

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Fly to the uk to try one? :lol:

Arrange to meet a 400 owner at a trackday? (Shoulda come to Dijon last month hehe)

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Yep, it can be done that's way, but :

- dealers are made for that and I don't want to bother a 400's owner, plus 400s (and Evoras in general) are quite rare here, because it is a kind of black duck in France amongst Lotus owners (stupid, I know...)

- I wanted to compare 400 and 410, ideally within the same day, to be sure to make the right choice, which is almost only possible at this dealer facilities (hence the flight) ... especially in the IPS form !

it was easier to test drive a McLaren 570 :ph34r: !

PS : @CocoPops: and that's a bit why I asked you on FB where you were going after Reims, during your continental road trip :whistle:

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Yeh I guessed as much :thumbsup:

 

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5 minutes ago, French Frie said:

 

- dealers are made for that and I don't want to bother a 400's owner, plus 400s (and Evoras in general) are quite rare here, because it is a kind of black duck in France amongst Lotus owners (stupid, I know...)

it was easier to test drive a McLaren 570 :ph34r: !

A black duck ? May be because they never drove it. I'v drove all the Lotus. The Exige, The  Elise (Supercharged or not) and the Evora 400. By far, the 400 is the best Lotus I've ever driven. And in France, Lotus owners are not able to buy a 400 because most of them have not the money. So, they say that's it's too heavy, it's not a Lotus ... It's bullshit. I was member of the Club Lotus France, I left, it's a look like a sect. So, trust me, if you want to buy a 400, do it. The build quality is may be crapy, but the joy to drive it  is better than every supercar i drove the last years, even the last Ferrari, Mclaren and Lamborghini that I know very well. If i bought one, i would choose the 410, less gadget is better for the reliability.

If you want to test the Evora 400, ask to the Saint-Etienne Dealer. They have one.

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Yep, you know for sure I'm already convinced :welcome: ! I've struggled a lot to promote Evora, and even the Exige V6, and your articles (I'm right ?) helped me to consider what is the best car I've owned until now :thumbup: !

 I didn't want to bring the money argument in the debate, but that's true ... it's easier to say you don't love the model, or even that it betrays the brand's ethos, rather than to admit you can't afford it :ph34r: !

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I was chatting to a well respected dealer at a track day earlier this year. They were pulling their hair out the fact that the factory don't give them the heads up about new cars. Often the first they know of it is a potential customer coming into the showroom asking after a car they've seen announced on instagram. Makes the dealers look incompetent. 

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On 9/7/2017 at 02:21, anthonyyule said:

As one of the very first to order a "normal" GT430 here is my opinion.

This morning I will be cancelling my order for the following reasons:

1) I now believe that the GT430 is overpriced (and I didn't actually believe this before). An £8K premium over the sport for a spoiler/ splitter and slightly wider wheels is OTT

2) The "normal" GT430 is now having an identity crisis before it even hits the street

3) I don't believe that the exclusivity of the "normal" GT430 will count for much now. The be-winged version is going to have its work cut out against a standard non-winged production model. The Evora being, in essence, a GT road going car, I believe that the Sport version will tick more boxes for more people. This will hit residuals down the road. The early comparisons between the "normal" GT430 and the GTE are now moot...... there was never a non-winged GTE to steal its thunder.

 

Last Thursday, folks that had ordered a GT430 were invited to Hethel to view the car. It was all very last minute (we only found out about it on the Tuesday and it HAD to take place that week). We were also informed at the meeting that we MUST have our order forms submitted by the beginning of this week so that they could start to allocate parts. It all seemed a little rushed and odd at the time..... but now (following yesterdays announcement) it all becomes perfectly clear.

I don't like being lied to.... as a point of principle. Many people at Hethel last Thursday afternoon HAD to have known about the imminent launch of another GT430 variant.... yet when questioned directly all who were asked were quick to point out that another GT430 derivative would not make much sense at the moment because it could detract from the exclusivity of the "normal" GT430. But here we find ourselves.... exactly 1 week later. I was never told about the auto option either - and nobody informed us that we could have a "non-winged" slightly more road biased version.

As many have said.... the line up now looks confused. I disagree with James (as I'm sure you can sense) that the introduction of the Sport is a way of NOT upsetting "normal" GT430 owners. I fail to be anything but upset. The interior is identical/ the engine and running gear and suspension and brakes are identical. The body work is 99.99% identical. You can even spec the slightly wider wheels........ and the cynic in me says that it wont be long before you can also spec the aero kit back in. Why wouldn't I be annoyed having paid a healthy deposit for an exclusive car (which will now share 99.99% of all of its parts with a standard model?)

I think Lotus have many questions to answer - but for me this is just another example of getting so close to perfection and then kicking the living sh*t out of loyal early adopters.

Late to the comments party on this thread, but as one of the 27 (I was told it was up to 28 by Thursday when I spoke with my dealer) who put down a deposit (at 8 am the day of the press release, but as Julian said, it still isn't guaranteed yet) I feel very much the same. 

 

I'm seriously questioning whether I want to pull my opportunity deposit, as I feel like Lotus gave lots of potential owners the middle finger, as you mention. 

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I would feel exactly the same as you Taylor,  after spending that sort of money on a limited special production car,  and very shortly after having  another model show up that resembles the special ltd run car in a lot of ways that is also going to be sold much cheaper i would quite frankly not be to pleased either. 

I like the look of the GT430, But would take the 430 sport over it any day of the week given the cost reductions,  not that i am in a postion to purchase either cars lol,  but can understand your postion completely. 

To be honest the only ltd GT  run that the Evora has done imo is the GTE,   That car to me screams GT and is a fantastic looking car that will maintain its exclutivity because it is just bonkers regarding specs on wheelbase etc and looks etc.  

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With the wider wheels and tyres the 'Sport' version is only £6000 cheaper. Not a huge amount really.

I slightly prefer the wingless version for various reasons, one of the things I'd enjoy in a Sport 410 is the 'sleeper' element. It's more fun to dish out surprises on track than drive around with a target on your back. The wingless version would preserve a degree of this, but I'd love to experience the downforce of the full fat version. I have a suspicion that going forward the wingy version is the one people will consider the 'proper' GT430. Not sure if anyone remembers but Ford decided to offer the Escort Cosworth without the giant rear wing later on in its life. I don't think I've ever seen one on the road but despite the good intentions it was taking away a signature piece of design from the car. That said, I prefer the Countach without the rear wing personally but that didn't end up looking like a Ford Escort without it!

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On 08/09/2017 at 11:00, anthonyyule said:

CONFIRMED

GT430 - 60 UNITS - (increased to 10 from 6 for UK)

GT430 Sport - 60 UNITS worldwide (excluding US)

Which I guess gives a GT430 family size of 120 cars with circa 20+ only coming to the UK - 10 of those max as big winged versions.

Happy days.

Hey Anthony

 

I went down the same route as you and spoke to the factory - didn't bring it on here though.  In the end I am keeping the order for now but will continue to consider.  I do think the GT430 (ours) will be a special car and the promised exclusivity of this and the Sport are reassuring.  As Jonny says elsewhere - in the end this is still a car I want and can afford. Lotus needs to grow up but the car will be wonderful I have no doubt.  Am planning a visit to see it in build if you want to connect on that.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Mark Allin said:

Hey Anthony

 

I went down the same route as you and spoke to the factory - didn't bring it on here though.  In the end I am keeping the order for now but will continue to consider.  I do think the GT430 (ours) will be a special car and the promised exclusivity of this and the Sport are reassuring.  As Jonny says elsewhere - in the end this is still a car I want and can afford. Lotus needs to grow up but the car will be wonderful I have no doubt.  Am planning a visit to see it in build if you want to connect on that.

 

 

Evening Mark

i hummed and heyed about posting on TLF but in the end I'm glad I did as it was "newsworthy". There are some other lotus related things ongoing with me at the moment which I wouldn't discuss - but this I felt was worthy of open discussion. I know that Group monitor the forums too, (so a bit like twitter) it allowed quick resolution to my concerns.

i know you didn't get to visit last Thursday - I was looking out for you, but I'm sure we will catch up again. I'll try and get back to the factory during build but I've taken far too much time off work this year as it stands!

Have you finalised your spec? PM me! 

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4 hours ago, The Pits said:

Any colour requests? I've worked up a template on Photoshop.

Here's an attempt at a colour Lotus would most likely refuse at any price, McLaren's Volcano Red.

chromered430.jpg

If anyone would prefer to receive the results by private mail then get in touch that way.

Well if really I must...

Could you do motorsport black and motorsport green? Pretty please.

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I understand why the wiper is up and down the screen as that is where racecars have them, but with most of these being road going more often than not, I think I would get annoyed by the wiper in my view all the time.

I know a lady here in Geelong that was fined for a trinket hanging from her rear view mirror so how is this any different really?

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8 hours ago, anthonyyule said:

Evening Mark

i hummed and heyed about posting on TLF but in the end I'm glad I did as it was "newsworthy". There are some other lotus related things ongoing with me at the moment which I wouldn't discuss - but this I felt was worthy of open discussion. I know that Group monitor the forums too, (so a bit like twitter) it allowed quick resolution to my concerns.

i know you didn't get to visit last Thursday - I was looking out for you, but I'm sure we will catch up again. I'll try and get back to the factory during build but I've taken far too much time off work this year as it stands!

Have you finalised your spec? PM me! 

Makes total sense to post here- and thank you for doing so.   Will PM you

 

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short remark on pricing:

actually 104,500 GBP for the 430 sport, (see pricing by Lotus) exchange to 114.699,2000 Euro

but Lotus wants to charge 139.000 EURO  in Germany? (even if you would consider a Exchange rate 1,2 the result would lead "only" to a Price of 125.000 EURO)  

I believe that THIS gap is too huge and will distract potential buyers - esp if you consider that a Evora S SR (Manual) had cost 82.510 EURO (with the "fully loaded" SR package, which result to a significant lower Price than a fully loaded Evora S....) 

 

 

MARKET Evora GT430 Retail Price evora GT430 SPORT Retail Price
UK £112,500 (incl. VAT at 20%) £104,500 (incl. VAT at 20%)
Germany €151,000 (incl. VAT at 19%) €139,000 (incl. VAT at 19%)
France €152,300 (incl. VAT at 20%) €140,200 (incl. VAT at 20%)
Italy

€157,260 (incl. VAT at 22% and transport)

€144,960 (incl. VAT at 22% and Transport)

 

 

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@Snoopy1969: ahahah ... I'm afraid I've already made the grumpy continental customer on this point :P :

On 06/09/2017 at 16:02, French Frie said:

I know I may look like a douchebag, but how does it come that a £112,500 UK tag price is converted in a €140,200 french price, with the same VAT %, whereas GBP is now 1,09€ :ph34r: ?

when GBP was in the 1,30€ areas, euro price tags for Lotus where increased ... and now, they don't go down ! £112,500 is about €123,000 nowadays ...

but you're right ... at 115k€, it makes a lot more sense that at 140k€ :angry: ! and on the top of those 140k€, you'll have to add 10k€ emission tax, and a registration tax of about 2k€ here :ph34r: ... so 152k€ is too much, unfortunately ...

 

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