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2 hours ago, C8RKH said:

Totally agree @The Pits. The US seem to be less "stuck up" and admire the brand. Even a small amount of success in the US will make a tremendous difference to Lotus.

Lotus is still seen as one of the 'exotic' marques in the US, the name still carries a lot of respect/weight...  neither of which are the right words but you get the idea! 


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Perhaps one or two of our American members can comment about the how Lotus is perceived out there. I'm guessing Mario Andretti's 1978 world championship has something to do with it. I don't believe an American driver has won the F1 title since. Jim Clark's achievements at the Indy 500 would certainly have won them some respect. Perhaps there's a notion that we don't have that is generally positive towards British made sports cars but most of the video reviews from the US seem to take a pop at British electronics and general questions over reliability, so not sure about that one. Maybe it's just how an Elise might feel if when your reference point is a big V8 muscle car. Like a toy car for the first few miles I imagine then something like a revelation shortly after!

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I do run into some people who have no idea what a Lotus is, but I think the general public in the U.S. still considers them an exotic sports car, mainly because they are very rare and look exotic.

At car shows I have had some people make fun of Lotus for its reliability using the Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious joke. I tell them that I haven't had any major issues with any Lotus I have owned.

In the end though, IMO the stereotype is absolutely true about Americans. They are HP obsessed. So while my car gets a lot of attention, once they learn how much HP it has many lose interest quickly. To some people its the only number that matters. I am honestly so tired of constantly hearing about Hellcats at car shows I go to.

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On 29/12/2017 at 12:33, C8RKH said:

This  number is a made up one based on some formula (i assume using weight and horsepower) not tests so I would not give it too much credit anyway. It looks it is meaningfully lower number in real life.

But as said by others, this is not a straight line exercise, engine for straight line, big wings for corner and lightness for everywhere!

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I hate to have to disagree.  To the vast majority of the motoring public in USA, Lotus is a non-entity: a brand they have heard of, but probably don’t know still sells cars in the US market. 

A limited production run of 60 430 GTs and 60 430 Sports is not likely to change things one bit.  

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Your average UK Joe probably doesn’t know or care much about Lotus either. Even among car ‘enthusiasts’ Lotus is still a left field choice, very few sports car buyers have the Evora on their consideration list, it remains firmly under the radar. However, among those in the US who do know what a Lotus is, it would appear that the brand is held in generally high regard. US Lotus sites are awash with longing for Lotus to bring V6 Exiges Stateside, as previously written I hope the GT430 will go some way to make up for that. At least the fastest, most extreme Evora will make it over there at some point hopefully.

Lamborghinis were imported into the US in tiny numbers for many years but the impact they seem to have made is considerable, despite the average joes pointing at them and saying ‘Ferrari!’.

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Honestly Lotus really needs a flagship car. They need a new Esprit. Its a car some people still know from some 70s - 90s pop culture, even if it doesn't have the clout of the others. I really hope Lotus continues with having lower cost cars like the Elise, mid range like the Evora, but IMO they need a higher end car that walks the walk and talks the talk. They need something that really wows the public in some way. Not only to bring attention to their current line, but for their SUV line. You want people to buy Lotus SUVs you got to show them Lotus makes something people know and desire. Like most car brands maybe they wouldn't make much or anything on the Esprit, but hopefully maybe you can make that up in your Elise and SUV sales.

I don't know, I hope Geely does something with the brand for once. Them making an SUV, as questionable as it may seem to some of us, also might be a good sign that they plan on taking this serious.

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Very fair points there but wait until you see the GT430. It has presence and wow factor to spare.

I'm torn on a new Esprit. I still think that the Elise is ultimately the better representation of the Lotus philosophy than the Esprit ever was. If they do a new Esprit it has to be ground breaking in some way, not just another 'me too' junior supercar like the Dany Bahar concept. I'm confident that Russell Carr on current form could do something that could make me eat my words but if the Bahar car was all we got then an uber Evora appeals more to me at this time.

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Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to be wrong about the impact of the 430 in the US market.  There is a lot of speculation here with limited production cars and I can easily see the small number of 430s available here end up in car collections and never see much of the light of day, much less being driven on the street.  A shame, but a VERY likely result

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On 12/30/2017 at 13:44, The Pits said:

Your average UK Joe probably doesn’t know or care much about Lotus either. Even among car ‘enthusiasts’ Lotus is still a left field choice, very few sports car buyers have the Evora on their consideration list, it remains firmly under the radar. However, among those in the US who do know what a Lotus is, it would appear that the brand is held in generally high regard. US Lotus sites are awash with longing for Lotus to bring V6 Exiges Stateside, as previously written I hope the GT430 will go some way to make up for that. At least the fastest, most extreme Evora will make it over there at some point hopefully.

Lamborghinis were imported into the US in tiny numbers for many years but the impact they seem to have made is considerable, despite the average joes pointing at them and saying ‘Ferrari!’.

When Lambo's were still imported in small numbers Lotus was a big thing and the Espirt outsold Ferrari and was able to command a higher price. Today I see Ferrari, Lamborghini, and McLaren at every corner but with Lotus far far between.  The days of Mario Andrettis F1 wins are far forgotten or never known by most of the sports car buying public.   

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Wow. Really does show the effort that has gone into the design and some neat touches.


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Looks lovely in white (though I’d still want that rear aches tone protector in clear PPF)

are there any more left for sale in uk?

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The Esprit, comparisons to Ferrari at the time etc, made it the flagship car.

The Evora , however good, has never been perceived in the same league, and now 8+ years on isn’t going to gain it from the superb 430.  Let’s put it this way, do we expect Top Gear or The Grand Tour to review it on TV ?  However will they do the new NSX ? 

I agree Lotus need a new Esprit equivalent to make an impact on the market if they want to play with the big boys 


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I'm not sure it would change much with a new Esprit either, car press totally overlooked the GT430. Hard to know if it's lack of interest among journos or some PR malfunction on Lotus's side (not making press cars available, for example).

Surely there's a massive story in GT430 vs 991 GT3? Would love to see a proper head to head with data - actual weight as tested, straight line figures and laptimes (even if I didn't enjoy the likely conclusions). Shame that it's so unlikely.

Car mags don't like to ruffle feathers these days.

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Honestly you guys put together good vids. Why not get together with JayEmms mate with the GT3 991.1 ?

I reckon with the 3 of you working together, you could put together a very popular vid.

My gut feeling is Lotus not releasing cars to the press outside of Hethel. No way you can do a head-to-head with  GT3 unless the car is transported somewhere else.

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@ozrs I would love to have a GT430 and do a comparison with the GT3. I do not feel there would be a huge benefit in testing numbers, the Porsche is going to win (except on weight, and fuel economy). I don't think there is any shame in that. I am more interested in what they *feel* like though - both on road, and track.

Unfortunately, Lotus have their list of people they allow to drive their cars and I am not on it. I am very lucky that their dealerships (and the owners) are very kind to me and allow me to drive as many vehicles as I do.

I have not even sat in a GT430, but I do have some seat time with the 991. My guess would be the GT430 would certainly make the more civilised road car. On track.... who knows.

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You wouldn't like the seat for starters James! Inside there's not much to distinguish it from your Evora aside from some bits of carbon and the twin colour stitching. The alcantara wheel is very nice but I'm sure a GT430 interior would be overwhelmingly familiar to you. 

I'd love to do a video too but such things cost a lot to do half decently. Even just using amateur equipment it's an easy £1000 just on the cost of the trackday plus fuel. Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s don't come cheap either, if we're doing it properly they will be toast. Assuming JayEmm's mate let me push his GT3 hard round a track I would then have to offer him the opportunity to do likewise in the GT430. Both cars are technically irreplaceable now. The key dynamic issue for comparison is their relative low polar moments of inertia. We'll need a skidpan for that one. Plus it would ideally be a manual gen 2 991 GT3.

Pie in the sky from the car mags though, where's the manual vs PDK GT3 test? Who wouldn't want to see what the PDK box is really worth?

 

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Love to see a comparison test with a GT430 and GT3, but only if it does not involve JayEmm please.

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4 hours ago, JayEmm said:

@ozrs I would love to have a GT430 and do a comparison with the GT3. I do not feel there would be a huge benefit in testing numbers, the Porsche is going to win (except on weight, and fuel economy). 

I thought it would have been close in a track test. All write-ups appear to be very positive regarding the driving experience. 

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While Lotus have clearly priced and pitched this car toe-to-toe with the GT3, I'm sure a good number of the reviews compared it favourably with the RS in fact. 


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The only figures that matter in a track test are the lap times. I doubt if any Evora will be quicker than an equivalent priced track Porsche. The Evora however is a much better drive in almost all other respects imo. I'd still have a Porsche, but only as the second car. 

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Fully agree with you @Bruss

2:38 is the laptime I have seen done in a stock 991 GT3 RS with a very good driver @ Spa on M Cup 2 ... an EX460 in capable hands is close to that but not there yet (I think 2:41 is the best I have seen so far)...

@The Pits any Spa trips planned next year? ? The aero should be a big benefit there ... would also be interesting to see how close the GT 430 can get to the 2:41 or the RS ...

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Yes definitely planning to take it to Spa next year. Can't wait in  fact. I'm no Spa specialist, it's my own pride and joy and my first priority is to complete the lap. Much as I'd love to see a fast time, seeing the car back at home in one piece is worth a lot more to me. I should at least be able to compare with the Exige V6 Cup. Waky's 2.46 time will be hard to beat but if the GT430 is as fast as Lotus claim then it should be possible. I would be happy to go sub 2.50 knowing there is more to come, to begin with anyway!

 

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I suspect one area on track the 430 might really win is in its longevity. Having been on a day with GT3s and Exiges, the weight advantage of the Lotus really seems to manifest itself in terms of tyre life etc. I suspect the 430 would be somewhere between the two being roughly there weight wise.


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