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We all know that Cobwatch posted his comments just to provoke owners of 430s, please don't fall into his trap, it's not a school yard, please let's have a meaningful debate.

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I assumed he was being sarcastic!

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I do agree Cobwatch that the article was fairer than it could have been. Certainly prior to release of Evo we had all (on this forum) decided what the outcome would be and why. Nobody would have ever guessed in a million years the reason even if they could guess the result. 

 

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Anthony, you have a fantastic car. A legendary Lotus. Drive it, enjoy it. Occasionally wash it!  Jealous, me?...not one bit!

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Is someone take care about the comment of the journalist to make there chose?

Especialy for a car like this 430GT where passion is more important than reason (like for all the Lotus)

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3 hours ago, cobwatch said:

...an optimised GT4 based Evora.

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Do you really believe that? The GT430 is as ‘GT4 based’ as an S, 400 or 410. ie hardly at all!

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Hardly at all?... the carbon, brakes, suspension and especially the aero are significant. Too much full-on GT4  would completely compromise the Evora on the road. The GT 430 occupies a completely different niche to the 400. But, yes, i have exaggerated, i hold my hand up.

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The GT4 doesn’t have any of those things. It doesn’t even have the same tub!

That whole ‘the GT430 is a GT4 car for the road’ was just JMG bs, I’m afraid. 

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On 19.2.2018 at 20:30, The Pits said:

The part I take issue with is that the conclusions are drawn on the basis of a cold, wet road drive. Ambient temperature was 7 degrees C. The writer would have had a totally different experience in the dry on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup2s.

The inevitable win for the Porsche won't surprise anyone. However the reasons given for the Evora losing the comparison are literally the last things you'd expect.

Totally agree on mentioning the weather conditions - such a comparison does not make sense if it takes place in a weather more or less not suitable for the mich cup tires.

I would like to know how much the cars weight in their more or less " real world"/ as tested configuration. All that theoretical speech on the weight savings is without sense when we do not know the "real" result. 

All 60 gt430 sold? Interesting point, in Germany at least 4 cars advertised.....the wrong description of the GTE is also "remarkable" - sorry but if I woild be a professional journo I should know better.....at least some nice pics

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Nothing to add hml_xy, that's exactly what I'm thinking :)

Never found that feeling on the steering wheel on any other car than a Lotus.

Porsche is a really great car, especialy the GT3, but it's very perfect and that's not what I'm looking for.

Maybe this GT430 is not the fastest, the most powerfull, the most luxury, but when I look at it something happened :sofa:

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I'm very disappointed EVO have returned to poor and slightly dubious journalism. I am fairly sure when the GT430 first appeared in their pages it was a five star car... now it appears to have lost half a star? Very poor.

This article actually reminds me of their recent Aston Martin DB11 V8 review. The entire review told you how the V8 was a better car than the V12... but then it scored a lower result? Almost as if they'd been told it wasn't allowed to be "better" than the V12.


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I haven't read the article so my thoughts are based on whats been reported on the net. For me the biggest non surprise is that the handling 'feel' of the Porsche has been improved. It's the one key difference that Lotus has always had. Why wouldn't Porsche try and match it?  I am surprised if the 430 was found to be in some way lacking, as I can't see Lotus having lost that feel from the previous S1, and 400 derivatives I have driven. It may just be that the writer was informed that the Porsche ought to be mentioned for its better driving feel? 

Why was I not surprised?  I was lucky enough to drive a gt4 on track recently. It had some suspension mods that made me compare it favourably to my Evora handling. So much so that I could see myself in a relatively cheap Cayman GTS with the same suspension mods. It was that good.

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The Porsche's 'superb steering feel' was certainly stressed over and over again, just in case anyone missed the point.

I love the way every other journalist has praised the GT430's steering yet it only takes one guy to knock it and suddenly EPAS is better than hydraulic steering. They're in raptures about the Porsche victory and appalled about the price of the GT430 at the playground yet it's OK for someone to pay £50k over list for a GT3. He's the smart guy, anyone buying a GT430 is a total blinkered idiot. Very weird bunch over there. So angry and bitter about Lotus, they really want to see them fail. Thank goodness we have this place!

 

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I bet Porsche had a technician sorting things out where lotus probably just sent the car. If this is the case then they need to get with it in this regard and ensure the car is always set up best for the road/temp etc.

lotus has no right to even be compared to Porsche with their huge budgets and development programs; they should be absolutely miles ahead. 

the fact it seems the empire has had to defeat the rebel alliance with a spurious claim shows how great our cars actually are! 

I agree with the above post, lotus is a contrarian choice. You buy one as you like to be different and stand out from the herd.

Imagine what will happen when geely/suv money starts to give lotus some real cash to spend....Porsche should be worried.

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In 2016 Porsche spent 2.2 billion euro on r and d


hindsight: the science that is never wrong

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How much of that went on SUV’s?

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Just managed to pick up my copy of evo on my short 12hr trip to London.

After reading the article (and I am by no means mad that our beloved brand „lost“...): When did a car with such a soul- and feedback lacking steering ever get away with so many stars for the rating?

Also interesting that they tested car 1/60 - I thought mine was 1/60?!! ? 

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Nice meet up with Jonny for small drive and lunch on a pretty much perfect weather day for the time of year.

 

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I'll get around to it at some point.

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