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1 hour ago, anthonyyule said:

In part Trevor I have to agree.

The relationship has definitely soured..... the whole DAB-Gate demonstrated to me their hunger at grabbing more money from the customer (I’m still ££ out of pocket for paying a premium for the now “standard” fit Apple-play stereo - standard if ICE is specced I mean). 

Plus if I decide I want the exhaust valve illuminated button as now fitted as standard I guess I will have a new fight with them to see who has to pay for the purchase and install..... if I bought a GT430 today it would cost me £0.00.

increasing numbers of vehicles and changing the spec on a car-by-car basis for such a low volume special seems to me to be a bit desperate. Even the diffuser has now been changed. I share your view. I love the car and the brand - but I am definitely out of love with the current management and how they treat their (many of whom) very loyal customers. 

I’m not sure the exhaust button is standard the GT430 has been built to comply to worldwide regulations.

Central Lotus are fitting the button and doing the software to suit, for us, not Lotus cars.

Lotus changing the number of UK cars, so you would have preferred Lotus to stay with the original 6 cars, only sell another (figure plucked out of air) 6 world wide, and then what; yes you may have got your wish for a new management team?? Or worse.

We have paid optional extra for the premium spec ICE, as for the comment regarding the rear diffuser; the Lotus brochure like any other manufacturer states “actual specifications may vary”

Yes this is our fifth brand new Lotus in 8 years. We have a lot of respect for some previous management and like to class MJK as a good friend, Jean-Marc came into a ship sinking and pretty quickly. Jean-Marc/Lotus have managed to secure the ship  and (hopefully) get funding for new models and a brighter future!

think I better close this rant before I say something that will upset a few more 

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Proud to drive and own since new a true British supercar the Evora GT430

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2 hours ago, Trevsked said:

On the one hand it's nice to see the car succeed as its a wonderful vehicle, I haven't found anything that comes close to the driving experience for me, but sadly it feels like the last one I buy due to there being twice the number produced than I was told. A big part for me was buying a low numbers vehicle and while some will come on and say 20 plus cars is incredibly low volume, I'd argue I was told 6 then 10 and bought in at that description, I think I've been fooled into parting with more money on that basis. That's not a nice feeling and Lotus have damaged our relationship forever, but my love of their product.

 

Trevor.

Have to agree with this!!!,  I was one of the 6, and at time of order you had to put 12.5 k in as a deposit, within a week it was 10, now its 20 plus.

Form a super rare car, to a fairly common car within this group at least! (picture of three together on here) would I do it again, truth is NO!

Stunning car to look at, but think I should of stuck with the 380.

 

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My biggest fear in buying any of the 'limited runs' of cars lotus are releasing currently would be getting the bespoke parts for them in the future (GTE syndrome). I'm not talking ten years in the future, I'm talking much sooner, like a year or two after they stopped making them.

I don't know about anyone else but I've completely lost track of the elise and exige range of cars this last 2yrs. They keep tinkering with special editions that have such a wide range of different bodywork and trim. Some have sideskirts, some don't. Some have vents, some don't. Some have winglets, some dont. Some have doo-dah's, and on and on. Then you get the change of design half way through production (gt430 diffuser above for instance).

How many of all these special parts are they going to hold once theyve made however many of them they can sell? Especially when you hear stories of 4-6 month lead times on panels for the 'regular' cars...

Certainly looking at it that way, the more they make, the better off you're likely to be...

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@DarrylV8

 

I think you should say exactly your thoughts and experiences. It is important that we all have a voice whether we all agree or not.

I don't agree in that if I was sold something and then found that I'd been lied to I would be a tad disappointed.

Re the DAB saga. Again if I had been sold something that didn't work I would again be disappointed.  Of course if Lotus had said you also need an aerial BEFORE fitting the upgrade and I had ignored their advice then that would be a different matter.

Re the 430, just from the comments on here it seems that Lotus are taking a parts bin approach to building them. Some have glass, some don't, some have a sport button, some don't, some have one diffuser, others something different. Perhaps Lotus are building many individual 430's. The plaque should always read 'one of one' ?

 

 

 

 

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I thought the "spares" situation was improving now and as for new editions well isn't that how the MX-5 is sold (albeit a much cheaper car) and as for versions and spares - well let's see, there are 24, yes 24, different and distinct model variants on the Porsche UK home page (  https://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/  ) - and that is just for the 911.

Lotus has lots of model versions = bad.  Porsche does it = good.

Go figure.

However, not to piss anyone off but with 20+ GT430's now in the Uk there is a greater chance in the future that I may be able to own one!  Now, who ordered a red one and when do you think you will be looking to move it on for the 1 of 1 Evora targa 4matic turbo GTS 2 GTR 3 Sport Exclusive Cup 525!  :sofa:

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Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate.  Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies!    

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The Porsche argument is irrelevant. This is a Lotus forum where 50% of the original 430 buyers are disappointed that they were lied to.

That is what needs to be addressed by Lotus to give confidence to future buyers.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, DarrylV8 said:

I’m not sure the exhaust button is standard the GT430 has been built to comply to worldwide regulations.

Central Lotus are fitting the button and doing the software to suit, for us, not Lotus cars.

Lotus changing the number of UK cars, so you would have preferred Lotus to stay with the original 6 cars, only sell another (figure plucked out of air) 6 world wide, and then what; yes you may have got your wish for a new management team?? Or worse.

We have paid optional extra for the premium spec ICE, as for the comment regarding the rear diffuser; the Lotus brochure like any other manufacturer states “actual specifications may vary”

Yes this is our fifth brand new Lotus in 8 years. We have a lot of respect for some previous management and like to class MJK as a good friend, Jean-Marc came into a ship sinking and pretty quickly. Jean-Marc/Lotus have managed to secure the ship  and (hopefully) get funding for new models and a brighter future!

think I better close this rant before I say something that will upset a few more 

Rant away - I don't think you can win this one ;)

Can I ask (I am being cheeky) if you were required to put down a £12.5K deposit for your car since you have only recently ordered it? I was given a deadline to pay my full deposit as I was made aware that if I didn't act quickly the 6 cars would go elsewhere. 

The exhaust valve isn't important - but the stories and the remedies are inconsistent. Still - Id be surprised if you are paying out of your pocket for this to be done? I'm certain that I will be charged ;)

To clarify the sum I paid for the ICE. As standard the GT430 comes with none. At the time I placed my order there were 2 ICE available. The "standard model with sat-nav and bluetooth for £XX and an enhanced model which came with DAB and Appleplay which cost £XX + £YY. I paid for the enhanced model at an inflated price. Subsequently Lotus have dropped the "standard" model for the Evora and now only offer the enhanced model.... but at the "standard" models price. Enough said. 

If I'm being blunt about limited numbers... then YES... in an ideal world there would have been 6 for the UK and 54 for Europe. OR... if Lotus had gotten their shit together earlier with correct and proper strategic marketing there might have been 10 for the UK and 50 for Europe or 20 for the UK and 40 for Europe. But I would have been told of this at the time of order and the goalposts would not have been moved at a whim after my money had been paid. 

I don't believe such a coherent strategy would have called for a complete change of management - but the current chicken-shed marketing that appears to prevail in Hethel certainly does call marketing strategies into question. Again - feel free to defend, but I'm struggling to see how you can :) :)

I don't think anybody here takes issue with the engineering or with the product. But there are constant gripes with the marketing strategies (limited numbers/ models per country, etc) which highlights a failing at that level within Lotus which needs to be addressed. 

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The short of it is that they messed up and they should think carefully about managing their customer relationship in particular with the one that have been wronged.

Reality is that Lotus has recently wronged a few of their dealers (selling them cars 1 week before superseeding the model, pushing hard for them to get Evora stocks as it was not selling much pre 430) and they probably prioritize their UK dealers by letting them sell more of the gt430.

Regarding the number of cars sold in the UK, I have a strong suspicion that not all of them are RHD. I heard UK dealers have been allowed to sell lhd at UK prices so you can imagine what happens...

US market for lotus is Just a bit smaller to the UK market but with only one model! They have managed over 200 Evoras in a year in the us so they would have a good shot at selling 50-60 but they would need to sort the overall US which seemed to have struggled recently.

with a GT410 coming, the 430sport didn’t  have a good reason to exist and I doubt it will ever get to 60 so that was a poor choice to upset gt430 owners with those.

Lotus should publicly confirm that the total is 60 and that no more would be sold (hopefully ASAP as it does sound like they may be close) and should give special treatment to the very first owners with a special event for them, factory tour and other gestures (free DAB!, recognitions letter etc) that they deserve and will maker the car have a special history including in the secondary market.

i hope they are getting feedback from those forums and dealers also bring that feedback and suggest gestures.

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You talk about number in UK... but was it official from Lotus?

I've just hear about the 60.

Maybe the 6 is a dealer talk about the estimation of sales.

We just have to register everything ans if we're more than 60, ok Lotus lie

Why be classic when you can be unique

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I think we are all saying broadly the same thing here, so need for any knickers to be twisted or to start turning on each other here. I get that forums are a place people like to vent their frustrations hoping that the factory are reading but we need to see that for what it is.

Porsche residuals are not at all better than Lotus outside of GT models which are being disgracefully manipulated by Stuttgart. Really tiresome to see Porsche held up as some kind of example. Go buy a protest Porsche, see if Lotus or Porsche care. The great irony was that the GT430 was a real opportunity to take a few GT3 customers who were fed up with horrendous treatment by Porsche dealers!

For my own part I’d definitely buy again knowing what I know now. Car is absolutely stunning. As already stated the 6 car thing was a factor in the justification process, totally not into hollow promises, unequivocally lame thing to do but ultra exclusivity wasn’t the big draw for me fortunately. They may as well not bother with limited production cars at all anymore no one will believe them.

Again though everyone seems to think there’s this big marketing department, there really isn’t any kind of strategy at all beyond JMG’s whims. So please, enough of this talk about proper marketing strategies. They need to hire a marketing department first and one that JMG respects and will listen to (no small task).

 

 

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but that's crazy talk Jonny. I work for a super large organisation (Shell) who have probably hundreds of marketing people and I am also self employed (and I have no marketing people other than myself). I have long believed at the very least that Lotus is positioned somewhere between the 2. Now I hear that JMG is pretty much judge-jury for Lotus marketing then I stand by my chicken-shed mentality 😄

In all seriousness....... numbers don't concern me now. Not that I'm driving the car every other day. Its a laughable car.... as in you cant help but giggle when you are in it. OK - so I caught the splitter on a hairpin incline on Monday which I wasn't giggling about.... but otherwise its just brilliant. I agree that the number-plaques are all a bit nonsense now. What was Lotus total build last year? and the breakdown per model was what? Ford probably built more Fiestas every day than Lotus build in a year...so every single one is Limited. but, ahem.... some were supposed to be more Limited than others!

I have another big run planned for the weekend. Cant wait. I actually get giddy about it before I go out in it. I think I once heard someone describe steering as though they were "pouring the car through corners". That's exactly how the GT430 steers. You can almost think it. And the grip.....GRIP... in the dry? hahahahaha. Brilliant. It is a great car.

Shitty company at times. Great car. 

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Just caught up with this thread and I'll cut to the chase. Has anyone taken these issues to Lotus, either directly or via their dealer? Anyone had the discussion with Scott Walker or Graeme Robertson? I know @anthonyyule has given Ian a hard time at Leven (quite rightly) but has anyone had Lotus directly defend their 'strategy'?

Would be interesting to hear of any direct feedback, or is the collective view they would be defending the indefensible?

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Yes spoken rob scott Walker and he say it’s great to be part of something successful. Sales BS to me. Be better as a buyer to be part of something exclusive, like I was told.

 

Trevor.

I'll get around to it at some point.

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I can understand people getting pee'd off with it but I'm guessing they have just shifted the ratio of LHD/RHD to suit demand and not total number produced? So yes the chances of bumping into one at a meet are greater but residual value wise I don't think it will impact it much. Either way they are still a fantastic car. I just need them to do a 2+2 auto for £100k and I will be happy!

 

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I have also just caught up with this thread.

I am also having 'issues' with the factory regarding GT430 which I won't go into on a public forum for now.

To say I do feel let down for such a special and expensive product, hopefully things should be sorted out soon. We'll see.

Just to add though it has nothing to do with amount of UK RHD cars sold, though agreed that is a kick in the teeth or car quality problems.

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A long chat with Scott Walker last week,  when I was on a 430 demo drive, it was quite apparent they listen to forum chat and never defended Lotus on some of the topics mentioned here, and said quite openly we need to do things  better not only to keep existing customers happy and in the bigger picture attract new customers to the brand, but the biggest impression I got was things are at such a fast pace at the factory with help from the new owners that Geely will not tolerate unhappy customers anymore. Sure we will see a big change in not the to distant future and for the better and at the same time I know that this does not make it any betterI  for the  people that where obliviously not told the truth at time of purchase, my thoughts for what it is worth. But one thing is for sure after that drive a week ago, I can not get the 430 out of my mind, it's totally breathtaking.

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3 hours ago, The Pits said:

Really tiresome to see Porsche held up as some kind of example.

 

 

I have a buddy that had a confirmed place for a GT3 RS, deposit paid, all good. When the build slot arrived, the dealer called him up to let him know the good news that his time had come, and the bad news that he needed to find an extra £100k on top of the (already agreed) price if he wanted to keep his car. He couldn't get the money together so lost the car.

 

Shining example.

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But not the Exige 430 Cup Type 25 !!!

And will Lotus build 25 of them?

And of course the Lotus Elise Cup 260, 30 of them planned to be built, how many have Lotus built?

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