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The Sparco seats you'd need from a practical point of view.

According to Lotus the 410/430 wheels won't cope with a fully loaded 400 (ie +2 spec car).

How true that is I don't know, I can't imagine they're *that* close to breaking point all the time. The wheels are made to a very high standard - Rimstock I think?

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You can get 2+2 on any Evora now.

The 410's wheels are things of beauty though. Some lovely sculpting up close that the others don't have. Inside of the spokes are scooped out unlike the stronger, wider and heavier GT430 wheels. Lotus really pushed Rimstock for lightness with the 410 wheels. A cynic might assume they've had some failures  but I haven't heard of any issues from any customer cars, many of which have been taken on track.

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So yet MORE amazing Lotus sales and marketing bullshit?

i actually give the [email protected] up. I asked for a 2+2 as soon as it was announced so that I could still take my kids out. The response above is what I was told directly by SW. 

he also told me on pain of death that I couldn’t change calliper colours or decal colours. 

I literally can’t believe the bullshit that comes out of these guys sometimes. Thankfully I do like my car.... but it’s not the car I would have specced had they answered yes to my (not too unreasonable) requests at the time of order. 

Idiots 

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I would have guessed this is much more likely to be a homologation issue than a proper technical issue. Volumes being unfortunately small, any spec changes that would require homologation just costs too much.

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But now available on any Evora? So not that much of a homologation issue... 

Ill enjoy my 430 - and then I’ll not have anything further to do with Lotus. Unfortunately every seemingly innocent comment here generates further information which conflicts with what somebody somewhere was originally told by the sales force. This bullshit has no place in any sales team and undermines the good work which the engineers do. 

Give me the car that I want - I’m happy to pay for it. Don’t give me what you think I want but then tell the next customer that they can choose whatever they fancy!

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I think there must have been enough requests for a 2+2 to make them consider it. Despite that, I don't think anyone has ordered one. The GT430 Sport was rushed to market sooner than planned for the same reason. Initial response was 'can I have one without the silly wing?' cue one without silly wing that no-one in the UK actually bought! It's not just manufacturers that can be fickle.

It might well have been true at the time, changing their mind isn't the same as lying to customers. I think they really did plan for 6 UK cars originally. Demand in the UK was better than expected and I suspect worse than hoped for in the rest of Europe. We haven't taken any Elise Cup 260, only one 311 430 to my knowledge, UK buyers are mostly Porsche obsessed. If you remember, it took some time to sell the 6 but once the orders came in they (JMG!) must have decided it would be worth annoying 6 people and sell 20. If Lotus get something like £60k per car that's over £1.2m revenue right there. There are ways of smoothing things over with the original 6 buyers that weren't done, that should have been. There should have been some communication from the factory and show of goodwill to acknowledge what was said and explain what was happening. A letter from JMG and a free service and all would be forgiven I'm sure. It's completely lame to just put their fingers in their ears when the 6 car claim was in writing, in the original press release. Now any future claims for production numbers will simply be ignored. It's a lame short term move with long term consequences. I can't blame them for making more UK cars but I can for how it has been handled. There aren't too many @anthonyyule's out there.

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You mean you didn’t ask for a test drive yourself, whilst waiting for service 😲

Would have softened the bill shock ;)

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9 hours ago, The Pits said:

I think there must have been enough requests for a 2+2 to make them consider it. Despite that, I don't think anyone has ordered one. The GT430 Sport was rushed to market sooner than planned for the same reason. Initial response was 'can I have one without the silly wing?' cue one without silly wing that no-one in the UK actually bought! It's not just manufacturers that can be fickle.

It might well have been true at the time, changing their mind isn't the same as lying to customers. I think they really did plan for 6 UK cars originally. Demand in the UK was better than expected and I suspect worse than hoped for in the rest of Europe. We haven't taken any Elise Cup 260, only one 311 430 to my knowledge, UK buyers are mostly Porsche obsessed. If you remember, it took some time to sell the 6 but once the orders came in they (JMG!) must have decided it would be worth annoying 6 people and sell 20. If Lotus get something like £60k per car that's over £1.2m revenue right there. There are ways of smoothing things over with the original 6 buyers that weren't done, that should have been. There should have been some communication from the factory and show of goodwill to acknowledge what was said and explain what was happening. A letter from JMG and a free service and all would be forgiven I'm sure. It's completely lame to just put their fingers in their ears when the 6 car claim was in writing, in the original press release. Now any future claims for production numbers will simply be ignored. It's a lame short term move with long term consequences. I can't blame them for making more UK cars but I can for how it has been handled. There aren't too many @anthonyyule's out there.

Our GT430 Sport is the 2nd UK car, and will be the first with the automatic gearbox. Yes we are happy Lotus decided to release more than the original 6 UK cars, I can see the reasoning flatish market outside of UK and yet a really good albeit slow take up in UK, maybe not handled sensitively by Lotus with original 6 buyers. However business is business.

@Anthonyyule I’m not trying to win “an argument” with you or any of the other first 6 UK buyers.

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13 hours ago, anthonyyule said:

So yet MORE amazing Lotus sales and marketing bullshit?

i actually give the [email protected] up. I asked for a 2+2 as soon as it was announced so that I could still take my kids out. The response above is what I was told directly by SW. 

he also told me on pain of death that I couldn’t change calliper colours or decal colours. 

I literally can’t believe the bullshit that comes out of these guys sometimes. Thankfully I do like my car.... but it’s not the car I would have specced had they answered yes to my (not too unreasonable) requests at the time of order. 

Idiots 

I'm pretty sure that on launch it was made clear that the GT430 would be +0 only, and the 430Sport could have +2 with the other wheels. I'm bloody sure i read that and not aware of any GT430 with the +2.  I think we should get that confirmed before we jump off the Forth Bridge.

I was looking at the GT410 in Leven (the Ardent Red one) and asked about what options to change the decals - was told no way can you do that. I also asked about not ordering the ICE and was told it was a bad idea as the silver panel was just for the press cars and all you get is a naff black plastic cover.  Hard to believe as I've seen at least one GT430 with the silver panel, and at least one 410 Sport with it after the owners said not to the ICE.

I do think part of the issue is also that not all the dealers are truly up to speed - probably meed to invest in comms from the factory to the sales teams - I mean, even a weekly update conference call for 30 minutes as there are only what 25 dealers max in the UK?  There is so much lotus could do to improve things for the dealers and customers on the comms front with practically no additional cost to be incurred.

 

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GT430 and GT430 Sport were 2+0 only initially. It's a fairly recent development that they can be ordered as 2+2s, providing you go for the stronger, heavier wheels.

Dealer comms are poor, bizarrely so, but that's some serious artistic licence being taken by whoever you spoke to at Leven Andy!

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30 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

I'm pretty sure that on launch it was made clear that the GT430 would be +0 only, and the 430Sport could have +2 with the other wheels. I'm bloody sure i read that and not aware of any GT430 with the +2.  I think we should get that confirmed before we jump off the Forth Bridge.

I was looking at the GT410 in Leven (the Ardent Red one) and asked about what options to change the decals - was told no way can you do that. I also asked about not ordering the ICE and was told it was a bad idea as the silver panel was just for the press cars and all you get is a naff black plastic cover.  Hard to believe as I've seen at least one GT430 with the silver panel, and at least one 410 Sport with it after the owners said not to the ICE.

I do think part of the issue is also that not all the dealers are truly up to speed - probably meed to invest in comms from the factory to the sales teams - I mean, even a weekly update conference call for 30 minutes as there are only what 25 dealers max in the UK?  There is so much lotus could do to improve things for the dealers and customers on the comms front with practically no additional cost to be incurred.

 

Bearing in mind when I placed my order - I had my finger right on the pulse with this. I loved and breathed this order for weeks and weeks and weeks all throughout last summer. I was in constant and regular contact with the factory (not the dealer). Any time there was any news or option change I was right on it.

i have email correspondence and a signed order form(!!) when (for approx 24hrs) I had a full fat aero GT430 2+2! Who’s ready to jump off that bridge? ;)

But then it was a complete u-turn. And the reasons above are what I was told directly from HQ sales. Too much downforce weight over rear wheels with the big spoiler means I could only have 2+2 in sport mode.

I was also told that it was impossible to change the caliper colour because the brakes were “special”. Must have taken me for a fool on that one. Despite me questioning whether the calipers were different (I’m fairly certain they aren’t and it’s just when rotors?) I didn’t get a satisfactory answer other than - they will only come in red.....

With all this talk about Lotus making amends with disgruntled customers maybe (just maybe) they should offer me the option to retro fit so I can get the girls out for an occasional hooley after all!

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Should be easy in theory to stick some back seats in there but I believe the 2+2 chassis are slightly different with different mounting points for rear seat belts and isofix points. We have the same problem with fitting a harness bar to 2+0 cars, easy on 2+2 cars but requires a bracket to be added on 2+0s.

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Ach. It’s not a serious consideration. It would have been nice to have had the chance when I ordered the car, but I’m not up for making large modifications now.

Frustrating is all.

i really enjoy the car when I’m not on these forums. Then I see all the personalisation and different things being offered - which I asked for and was declined - and it frustrates and upsets me. It really makes me feel as though I wasn’t/ am not in the “inner circle”. Some customers seemed to have had the “bent over backwards” treatment. I feel I was rushed and pushed and all requests were a hassle. A simple solution is for me to ignore the forums I can hear some of you cry.... but in my shoes - shameful from Lotus. 

I genuinely genuinely genuinely believe that Lotus don’t give a sh!t about me or my car. I believe that to the core. If they did/ do - I’d hope that they monitor the forums and contact me to discuss my feelings and dissatisfaction. But I can guarantee you that they won’t. As a result - I’ll not buy another Lotus. Which, having owned 7 (and not looked beyond the marque at any other sports car), is quite a statement for me to make. Ho hum. 

I have some tution booked at LDA this summer. A different company, I appreciate.... but 3 days paid for out of my own pocket. Little freebie treats like this being offered to customers would be a great way to plaster over ill feelings.... but ach... [email protected] them. 

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I remember at the time there was talk of not allowing any customisation at all. So clearly they were concerned about the costs associated with allowing everyone to have bespoke options, 2+0s here, 2+2's there. Uptake was slow to begin with, they relaxed the policy and sales have picked up surprise surprise. New models are very hit and miss with Lotus, they chuck a render out there and hope for the best. If no-one's interested they quietly forget it ever happened and move on to the next one.

If it makes any difference Anthony there is no 'inner circle', they don't care about any of us! 😆

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@The Pits - that’s good to know then Jonny 🤣🤣... but it’s definitely how it feels sometime!

i hope they learn lessons for the future. And for any of you guys here that look to buy a new car - take heed and force the issue if there is something you really want! Lotus should realise that their pre/post sales experience is critical - and sadly lacking in many respects! 

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Lotus never seem to lay themselves any contingency plans, it all just seems a day to day, hand to mouth affair with them. I can only imagine some of the staff there get very annoyed with it having to go back on what they've said they were doing from the start as the projects get hacked around to suit.

It was the exactly the same with the GTE sales.

First customers were told there are 30 cars of which 20 would be rebuiit with the rest to be used for spares. The colour the cars were  originally painted in by mansory were going to the the colours the cars were going to be repainted in but in the lotus colour range, so a mansory matt yellow one would go a lotus yellow, matt grey to lotus grey, etc. We were told they'd have spares avaialable to us (ive even got a full spares list here from them with lotus part numbers and prices). 

However as time went on an the take up of the cars slowed, (after 8 months they still had half a dozen unspoken for) they allowed you to pick any colour from the range, any painted decals you wanted, interior trim blah blah blah. 

I signed up right from the start and picked the only silver car out of the 30 and was told that it was going to be the only silver one. That of course didn't happen... the response I got when I questioned them about it was 'company policy has changed and we need to sell the cars'.  Great, so you've lied to me the last 7 months... it wouldn't have been so bad if I'd actually got my car and they changed their minds but it was still on the line when another silver one was ordered. 

Then we get the extra 5 (original spec) cars that were suppose to be destroyed but weren't.  I could see what was happening at the time and ended up buying one of them when the opportunity arose so as to not feel swindled on the factory 20.

Then the spares they were going to be keeping  all went to Strattons literally the minute the last of the 20 left the factory doors. Did any of us get any notification from Lotus this was happening? No, we heard sweet FA. A simple letter to the 20 customers who bought the most expensive roads cars they'd ever made to date stating Strattons (a Lotus approved dealer), would be handling all future GTE sales, spares etc. would have done it but we got nothing, we had to find out for ourselves. The whole thing from start to finish was twelve months of it getting more and more bitter to taste with every day that passed even after taking delivery of the cars

Reading all the above makes me sad to see its still happening (and still affects the highest paying customers they've ever had on the books). I love lotus I really do,  but their decision making process needs a radical overhaul and it needs doing soon else they'll just keep driving the customers they should have well tucked under their wings away from them. 

It's interesting to see we have a couple of gte owners buying into the gt430's. Whats going to be even more intereresting is how many 430 owners will sign up to the next 'limited, fastest, down-forciest' cars when they get announced after this chapter.

 

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its actually frustrating  to read of the complete lack of incompetant management by lotus over the above issues.. i mean come on...  its  not hard.

it smacks of corporate idiocy, you know  where the management really dont give two monkeys other than meeting their own little PDR targets..

it seems  customers must be an  inconvenience to their  targets, and god forbid someone  asking for something a little be spoke which creates a little extra paperwork, organization  and a bit of graft to implement..

its a  complete muddle if you ask me..    youd think being such a small volume car manufacture and even a smaller volume run of specialist GT 430 etc etc, that there would be a personal touch throughout the sales, build and ownership for the purchaser.. 

selling premium cars to premium client base.. requires a premium sales and after care team... with the authority to make things happen, solve, & make good.

without that, in this modern day with internet forums and communication  you end up with a lot of peed of clients able to share (and rightly so) their frustrations , that have detrimental long term effects to future sales.. whicj makes no sense to the appearance of   their bury head in sand & dont give two Sh**ts attitude .

what makes it doubly frustrating , is that the brand and product is so damn good...

 

 

 

 

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and they rely on that (us) small brand of followers to keep on buying whatever they put out from the factory.  It has always been that way right back to CC's days. It's part of their DNA just as much as the handling and ride is.

My first Evora S was a struggle to buy because I didn't want one of their unsold car park full of NA's but wanted a new S to my colour and interior. It took two factory visits and threats , sorry, meaningful conversations to understand each others point of view, before they gave in and accepted my order.  Meanwhile they had sold just about zero cars that year (2010/2011).

They really won't survive in this market if they don't change something. Hopefully it will not just be a change to a late to the market SUV that they are pinning their hopes on.

I want more Lotus sports cars.

 

 

 

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If you have exhausted your options via your supplying dealer, then I suggest (having first informed Levens of your intent) you write a nice well structured, calm and reasoned letter to JMG and copied to Neil Turner and Levens to explain your issues and the feelings you are left with. I expect you will get a favourable response.

I did this myself back in the day over an issue I had with my then new S1 Exige, and Lotus bent over backwards to help resolve my concerns including

  • returning the car to Hethel for the rework (2 weeks)
  • Use of a loan Exige (Y38 AEX where are you now?)
  • a fancy sport exhaust fitted foc
  • Factory tour with just me, my wife and our guide
  • a free trolley dash round the shop
  • Full valet of car prior to collection
  • A chat with Nick Adams about some ecu mods they trialled on my car

Not bad really 😎

 

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