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Gearbox cooler helps a lot according to the factory.

Larger side scoops are straight off the 380 Cup. They are carbon too, although they will need stone chip protection, quite vulnerable where they are.

@Swiss380Cup Not much is known yet about the 430 Cup chargecooler install but the extra radiators must be at the front as they are on the Evoras and 311. The Exige/Evora S Harrop TVS1320 supercharger makes 0.5bar boost at a maximum of 7000rpm. Whereas the Edelbrock supercharger is 1740cc and makes 0.58bar with a max revs of 7500rpm. That's on the 400, I assume the 430 runs slightly higher boost pressure. I was told the extra power came from a remap and revised cam timing, no mention of smaller pulleys. It now runs on 97 Octane minimum, 410 can run on 95.

 

 

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I’m new to this forum, but I took delivery of mine today. 

Hopefully this does it a little justice: https://gfwilliams.net/cars/430-cup-driven/ 

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Tx. It was about time they move on the charged cool solution... apparently wasn't that difficult to achieve....very glad they did it. It opens up a lot more possibilities up to 500 HP, I think this engine will live for a long time still.... I was wondering wether a retrofit would be possible ??? If SSC can install a TVS 1900 and have a charged cool solution for their race cars and possibly for road legal cars, why not go for the "original" OEM solution.... that would be an interesting topic to discuss and a possibility to explore...very excited about it. I love my 380 Cup, but you know how we are, we always want what's best ......

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I don't see the point in modifying the Cup 380 unless you want to keep it forever (entirely possible that you might, given it's still the best looking V6 Exige!). I'd rather put the modifying money towards a new factory chargecooled car personally. From there it's an easy remap for more power should you wish.

Can they really go to 450bhp in an Exige?! There is no mention of LSD so I think we can assume it doesn't have one. I can remember Matt Becker saying the first V6 Exige was right on the point of needing one! 

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@The Pits you're definitely right about going for a factory charged cool.....so much potential with this engine......the thing is...... I've just spent "some" money on my 380 Cup (had it for 3 ½ months only....),and thought I could do something different :):):)..... I'll have the winter months to think about it, and will waite for the detailed price for Switzerland of the Cup 430, which should be shortly available....and see what deal I can have with my dealer.. he'll love me more if I buy a 3rd Lotus in 2 ½ years......my banker won't......but I'd rather spend the tuning money on the new one, that's what reason tells me.... but we love to be un-reasonable... a 380 Cup KT Ex 460 could be quite "stunning".....or maybe I just enjoy my car and waite for the 1st 430 Cup to hit the swiss dealers .....in the end if you drive your car you don't need another one.... you just simply enjoy it......

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Only trouble is with KT460 is that you might as well start with a V6S. A modded 380 Cup needs to go further. You need and the car deserves 500. Then we are talking factory 430 money I'm sure. Still. No-one's catching a 500 Cup!

Good thing with the 430 Cup is that there is no rush with unlimited production. You can take your time and make the move when its right (or not at all of course!).

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@The Pits you're right, the reason tells me to stick to mine, and wait for the 1st 430 Cups to hit the shelves and see....there will be plenty of reviews of that car I'm 100 % sure of that, it's unlimited so the supply will be there for magazines to test it, since it's definitely super car territory and its performance will be stunning I'm sure... spring time will be very exciting.....

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The reviews will be interesting ... just learned that there will be a 380 Cup Supertest in the next German Sport Auto in December. We will see what Chr. Gebhard will get out of the 380 Cup vs. the V6S (that he tested a couple of years ago)... will be very interesting. He is a pretty good driver and knows the NOS very well...

If I remember the NOS Sport Auto Supertest Laptime correctly it was a 7:54 for the V6S .... any bets where the 380 Cup will land? Sub 7:40?!? 

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Has to be a major step on from the V6S, will be interesting to see. The cold air at this time of year will definitely help!

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Anyone noticed that the Cup 430 utilizes new seat runners? From the press release:

The composite concept continues into the Cup’s cabin with visible-weave, handmade sections including a new lightweight carbon fibre binnacle surround, Lotus’ bespoke carbon race seats, with new lightweight seat runners

Possibly this fixes the seat movement issue?

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3 hours ago, BAS said:

Anyone noticed that the Cup 430 utilizes new seat runners? From the press release:

The composite concept continues into the Cup’s cabin with visible-weave, handmade sections including a new lightweight carbon fibre binnacle surround, Lotus’ bespoke carbon race seats, with new lightweight seat runners

Possibly this fixes the seat movement issue?

 

Maybe the runners are the best improvement of Exige so far ;) 

 

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@NW76 Hello Norbert can't wait to practice my german and read that test...hopefully it won't snow too much in your ara :):):) My wild guess regarding a time would be in the range of the 996-997 GT3 - RS ....so between 7:40 and 7:45.... I doubt they'd be much faster, but I'm ready to have the surprise of my life.....

Porsche destroyed these times with all the electronical gimmicks and the PDK...... worth a lot of seconds on such a track....

If they go below 7:40 I promise I won't even dare think something bad about Lotus in the future.... can't wait..... don't forget to post a copy here once it's out......

This Cup 430 is definitely a most desirable car.... I LOVE IT.... and can only thank Lotus to have introduced the Charged cool engine in the Exige........ Many many many thanks...... Now the next iteration is a detuned version ???? Like a Sport 410 for € 100k, to replace the Sport 380...... and a Sport 380, to replace the 350 ???????

Bets are open .......

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The test must already have happend... the last couple of weeks... I doubt that they would announce it, w/o actually knowing that it has happened... but you never know... at the moment its definitely too cold and the NOS has seen the first snow already last weekend...

The 380 Cup has to be at least 10 sec faster than the V6 S ... anything else would be a huge disappointment looking at how much faster a Cup 380 is in Hethel than a V6S...

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With the usual caveats in place, that this is just statistical fun etc...lets see how quick on the 'ring a Cup 430 may be.                  The 3-11 race has a 1'19.5 round Hethel and a "theoretical" 7'06 at the 'ring. Yes, it is all rather sketchy, but are we not curious?  On this same basis i have also calculated a 'ring time for the GT 430 and the Cup 380. Forum members who have driven the 'ring may be able to give an opinion on the credibility of these potential times. These are hugely quick times...

Exige  cup 430....7'34.53        Evora GT 430....7'39.89       Exige cup 380....7'40.96

 

 

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An interesting exercise @cobwatch.

However the Nordschleife is not like your typical race track. Really there are many long flat out sections where high power and low drag is where you want to be. Caterhams used to be quick there relative to other cars but aren't any more because they hit an aero wall at 140mph and struggle after 120mph no matter how much power they have. North of 120mph something like a GT3 is much faster and this shows now at the NS.

To what degree the NS suits either the Exige Cup 430 or the Evora GT430 better I could only guess at. Maybe the more slippery GT430 Sport with the wider wheels and tyres might match the wingy GT430 there, whereas at Spa I think the wings would really show an advantage.

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Seems like a very high cost to change. They can't seriously have valued your car at £52k, I sold my 2013 V6 Cup for close to that.

Could be worth trying another dealer?

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Still think dealer's worked in a hefty mark up against a new high margin car. They'll have your 380 on for £68k at least, maybe more. I think they need to sail closer to the wind on the 380 and make the money on the 430. If you're serious about a 430 I would ring around. Who knows the story, they may have more 380s in stock than they know what to do with or have sat on one for ages. There could easily be a £5k better deal out there for you. I managed to improve on my trade in with a private sale too. Another option, then negotiate hard against the new one. Outright sales with no part ex are attractive to dealers, esp those with lots of stock.

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Not sure who you think has been talking prices down here but even if you were given all your money back on the 380 you're still in for a cost to change of £28k. Clearly that's not going to happen after 6 months use. What therefore do you think would be reasonable? £38k? £10k depreciation? If you could find a £5k better deal that puts you at £42k cost to change, you're only £4k away. Private sale and a bit of shopping around could see you improve on that.

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@Mark030358 in your case its very clear ... I would go the upgrade route similar to what @Jokke Vlo did ... no matter if its the KT Kit or the TVS ... you will get a car that performance wise will be very close to a Cup 430 for a friction of what a trade up would cost you ... 

You will still run into the rev limiter though but at 7200 rpms and because you can not shift gears as fast as your engine will rev ...

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Well, you'll always be disappointed when you buy the last one of a model, and the new one comes out 1 month later.... but Lotus has been doing that quite extensively lately...... no wonder they're now closer to getting profitable.....So now we'll have to waite for the one Exige to supersede the Cup 430.... If we were all driving instead of talking we would not be as tempted to change.... Hopefully due to winter season, no new model should come out of Hethel until Geneva in March 2018.... 4 ½ quiet months....  I'm looking forward to seeing the 1st one in the showroom anyway.... I wonder what's the market for a £ 100k Lotus Exige ??? How many will they sell.... pretty much I guess it will depend on the results of the reviews, the specs of the car are so impressive that it should attract the tests and reviews from the press....afterwards it will all depend on the results..... if they are at the level of the specs I believe it could attract a new crowd.... but my guess £ 100k, is a little bit too much, or are they doing that to test the market and maybe revamp the whole line with the charged cool engine at 380 - 410 to replace the 350 and 380 Sport ??? Any sales and marketing genius out there ???

Let's do the maths, the 380 Cup was £ 85 ? a KT 460 prep £ 8k ? the titanium exhaust ??? £ 4 k ? it's £ 97k, so the Cup 430 is worth the £ 100k ?????

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@Jokke Vlo to be fair, if I add to the £ 100k the KT tune to get to 475 HP, than the 430 Cup is £ 104k....will it be faster than the KT Ex 460 ???? Who will try for us to compare....there're plenty of Ex 460 on this forum so we need to find one to have the first Ex 475 ......

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