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So come on @saj reveal all...

Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate.  Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies!    

The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts!   

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I never actually compared the R8 RWS with the GT430, not the same target audience as the GT430 wasn't even a consideration for me, it is aimed at cars like the Porsche GT3. I wanted the R8 for the NA

Oops sorry totally forgot. Was having too much fun in it ? It's an Audi R8 V10 RWS (Rear Wheel Series). 540bhp to the rear wheels, 50kg lighter than Quattro models and limited to 999 cars globall

Congrats.  Looks a nice car. One of my Mate’s wives owns an R8 V10 in black and she loves it.

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Currently Owned: 2018 Lotus Elise Sport 220 in Metallic Blue, Alcantara Pack, Forged Wheels, 2piece brakes, AirCon, Hard/Soft Tops, Red Calipers, Stereo, Interior Colour Pack, NVH Pack, Carpets, Mats.
Previously Owned: 2016 Lotus Evora 400 'Hethel Edition' in Essex Blue, Red Leather, Red Calipers, Silver Forged Wheels
Previously Owned: 2010 Lotus Evora NA in Solar Yellow, Sports Pack, Tech Pack, "Heritage Edition" Recaro Seats
Follow my Lotus journey here: http://www.FaceBook.com/HandmadeInHethel

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@C8RKH your dream car has arrived :lol:

 

Currently Owned: 2018 Lotus Elise Sport 220 in Metallic Blue, Alcantara Pack, Forged Wheels, 2piece brakes, AirCon, Hard/Soft Tops, Red Calipers, Stereo, Interior Colour Pack, NVH Pack, Carpets, Mats.
Previously Owned: 2016 Lotus Evora 400 'Hethel Edition' in Essex Blue, Red Leather, Red Calipers, Silver Forged Wheels
Previously Owned: 2010 Lotus Evora NA in Solar Yellow, Sports Pack, Tech Pack, "Heritage Edition" Recaro Seats
Follow my Lotus journey here: http://www.FaceBook.com/HandmadeInHethel

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As you guessed. Not MY dream cars but certainly Saj's and a nice addition to his garage.

The R8 has a wonderful v10 engine but as a car it does nothing for me. Personally if I was spending over £100k on a car I'd have gone for a GT430 in Ardent Red.

However, I'm sure Saj is delighted and in love. Let's see how he feels after driving it on track.

Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate.  Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies!    

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@saj congrats! (esp nice Color and rwd-edition)

@C8RKH just a short comment on Lotus pricing: this AUDI is more than € 10.000 c h e a p e r in Germany than the GT 430...........i am not sure if the pricing of the gt 43o in Continental europe is maybe, just maybe, a Little bit too optimistic.....

 

 

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It is about £10k cheaper in the UK too. But then of course you have the Audi fleeceushitless options list.

You are also  comparing a volume mass producer with a handmade outfit - Lotus does not have the scale to compete.

999 R8 RWS as a limited edition is about half of Lotus full year production so hardly exclusive and it still looks like a TT to most people.  Lol. I'd still have the 430GT instead.

Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate.  Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies!    

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@C8RKH I would prefer the 430 also, esp because I prefer a Manual (but all a matter of taste...)....oh and I am so tired of these "oh..its a limited Edition, buy now or never....." Marketing activities......... 

but: If you (like Lotus I guess) want to compete than you should calculate Prices that make "sense" relating the competition! If Lotus sells the GT430 / GT 430 Sport more or less "easy" than fine for them (and us, as funds for further development is generated).

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So how does a manufacturer who sells 2,000 handbuilt cars a year compete with a manufacturer who sells 1.871m cars (2016 global sales figures for Audi)?

The fact that the Lotus is within 10% of the Audi is pretty remarkable if you ask me already.  

The 2017 Audi R8 V10 RWS is 1590kg in weight. 198 mph top speed and 0-62mph in 3.7seconds - 335bhp per ton.

The GT430 is 1258kg in weight. 190 mph top speed and 0-62mph in 3.6seconds - 345bhp per ton.

When you look at the raw figures, I cannot help but feel Lotus is punching weigh, weigh (sic), above its weight when you consider size of companies, scale of companies, revenues of companies etc.

And, the best bit is that the GT430 does not look like an Audi Diseasel TT with a body kit and some fancy paint.

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Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate.  Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies!    

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I think it is very interesting to hear from @saj w h y he has not bought another Lotus - esp the Point that spare part supply a problem and that has been a relevant Point for does not surprise me. No matter if a Lotus costs 50, 70 or 100 k the spare part supply should be better by far! In my 5 years of ownership there were sev occasions in which the spart part supply had been far from "ok / fine"

Also @saj mentions the engine of the R8 that atrracted him - very valid Point in my eyes too, with the 911 gt3 and the R8 there are 2 similar priced cars, both with a very attractive NA engine, comparing these  engines with the Lotus engine I am not convinced that Lotus should have put the 430 in the same (Price) Region (and I am not complaining about the Toyota Basis in General)

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my mate has had a few of these...........he agrees with me that theyre boring.......

but he likes the speed and the fact that the car is 4x4 and does eveything for you........

he likes to go incognito quickly

and in turn Ive driven a couple of them....and yep....theyre boring........

I must also admit that I can usually get them mixed up with a TT........haircut anyone?

The Faster You Drive...The Slower You Age

(Albert Einstein  14 March 1879 - 18 April 1955)

 

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I do have to admit that hes finally come to his senses.......the R8 is that boring he's gone all out for the MacLaren (640? I think)

The Faster You Drive...The Slower You Age

(Albert Einstein  14 March 1879 - 18 April 1955)

 

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11 minutes ago, theelanman said:

my mate has had a few of these...........he agrees with me that theyre boring.......

but he likes the speed and the fact that the car is 4x4 and does eveything for you........

he likes to go incognito quickly

and in turn Ive driven a couple of them....and yep....theyre boring........

I must also admit that I can usually get them mixed up with a TT........haircut anyone?

It is RWD ;)

7 minutes ago, theelanman said:

I do have to admit that hes finally come to his senses.......the R8 is that boring he's gone all out for the MacLaren (640? I think)

Good job i'm easily pleased :)

54 minutes ago, plenty said:

No need to defend yourself or your choices, Saj - the reaction to your new car was entirely predictable.

I wasn't really defending the choice, it was more just that the 430GT and any other Lotus wasn't even on the radar for me at this price point.

I'm on a total high with the new car :D

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Not my kind of car... even my AC Schnitzer M4 is at least as fast as it (I had one just recently fall victim to my M4 on the Autobahn - he almost killed himself will trying to get rid of me in his review mirror .... and I am pretty sure he sold it afterwards, because it couldnt even get rid of a simple BMW ;-) )  ... moreover, I must agree it looks pretty boring AND it drives as boring as it looks like...   

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