Winter Posted December 24, 2017 Report Share Posted December 24, 2017 Does anyone know of the whereabouts of this car? It was bought brand new in 1973 and a son of the purchaser is trying to locate it. Please contact me if you know where it might be so that I can pass on the information to the enquirer. Many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonwat Posted December 25, 2017 Report Share Posted December 25, 2017 Merry Christmas Ed, I'm afraid I know nothing of the Europa but I was wondering how you rated the McLaren against the F430. Cheers & all the best for the new year. Quote Cheers, John W http://jonwatkins.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAR Posted December 25, 2017 Report Share Posted December 25, 2017 The car has not been taxed in the U.K. Since 1975 under than number plate so it has probably been exported. To get a chance for people to find it, you probably need to find out which number it was if it is one of the 100 JPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bread Van Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 Hi Ed, Would you know if this guy ever tracked down his Europa MMO 597L? If he is still searching for it, I may be able to point him in the right direction. Dave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonwat Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 12 hours ago, Bread Van said: Hi Ed, Would you know if this guy ever tracked down his Europa MMO 597L? If he is still searching for it, I may be able to point him in the right direction. Dave. Hi Dave, I'm afraid Edward passed away last July, here's the thread announcing his passing. Quote Cheers, John W http://jonwatkins.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bread Van Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 Hi John, Thanks for updating me, Edward was obviously very popular in the Lotus community. Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikenut Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 So sad to hear Edward has passed away, I contacted him initially as I thought he had the car I was searching for, turned out to be a different car. However Edward chatted to me about ways of finding the car then he kindly put a request for info on here, a total stranger to me but so helpful and understanding. Bread Van (Dave) I am still searching for the car, I have had contact from someone that owned it in the 90s but Im not sure if he still owns it or where it is now, its all very slow moving so any help or clue would be fantastic Dave. Regards Phil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramjet Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 Welcome to TLF Phil (@bikenut) and Dave (@Bread Van) Best of luck searching for the Europa. You never know, it may still be out there somewhere. You should both duck over to the Introductions are and say hi in there as well. Quote All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit. Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others. For forum issues, please contact one of us Moderators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bread Van Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 Hi Phil, glad to hear you are finally getting somewhere, in your search for MMO597L, hopefully the previous owner can help you to locate it. Just to confuse the issue a little, in this YouTube video, Graham Arnold (Lotus sales director) suggests that they provided Harrowhouse with 2 Europas (see video at 10-12 minutes). if this were correct, which one demolished it's front end jumping the wall? I'm sure you'll get some interesting history of the car from the previous owner, please let us know what you find out. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikenut Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 Ramjet. Thank you. I am in touch with a guy that owned it in the 90s but I have a feeling the car is now in Japan. Will let you know when I find out where it is. Regards Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bikenut Posted July 13, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 Hi Dave. Thanks for that video, interesting. I have watched the movie frame by frame, as the car lands after the jump the interior is not oatmeal, the interior looks black so I assume there was a "stunt car" as well as MMO597L. As soon as I get more info I will post it up here. I am in talks with the owner from the early 80s to early 90s so fingers crossed. This is a photo I took in 1973(aged 12) at our home, Mum brother and sister with the Europa. Thanks again. Phil. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetace25 Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) I remember seeing the car on the Banks stand at a Lotus show in the spring of 1994. It had been dismantled and sitting in boxes for many years and Banks had carried out an exemplary restoration. They wanted £8,800 and I almost bought it but it was snapped up by a Japanese buyer and shipped off to Japan. Consequently a chassis number search might be more likely to yield results. It had the precious original Vitaloni Sebring Mach 1 door mirrors and was perfect. Edited July 28, 2021 by jetace25 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMO597l Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 Concourse winner - 7600 miles on the clock. £8800? £18800 would be likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMO597l Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 Is that a typo? It was never for sale for £8800. You could add a '1' in the right place, and in 1994 you'd be close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG5 Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 £8800 sounds about right in 1994. 1994 was close to the bottom of the market for europa values. My S2 which I bought for just under £2000 in 1980 was only worth about £4k in 1994. Even in the early 2000's concourse Specials were still under £20k. Prices have risen a lot since 2010. Europas were not valued much for a long time, even now they are a bargain compared to many cars of that era, even ford capri's which were a fraction of the price new go for more than europas at the moment. Price definitely is set by fashion. At the other end of the scale you could but a Ferrari Dino in 1980 from about £2300 (looked at the time I bought my europa but they were just out of my price range), price now.... £300k and up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM jep Posted July 31, 2021 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 I bought plenty of Europa Specials in the mid-90s for between £8k and £12k, all top notch. I sold a few too and I don't recall any at more than £15k. They were easy to buy and tough to sell in the 90s. Justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMO597l Posted August 4, 2021 Report Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) You couldn't buy this car for £12k any time in the 1990s. And Banks/Richard Winter never owned it or had the authority to make an such an offer. Edited August 4, 2021 by MMO597l Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramjet Posted August 14, 2021 Report Share Posted August 14, 2021 On 29/07/2021 at 10:15, MMO597l said: Concourse winner - 7600 miles on the clock. £8800? £18800 would be likely. Welcome to TLF. You should duck over to the Introductions area and say hi in there as well. Any questions or issues with using the forums, feel free to ask one of us mods. We're here to help. Quote All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit. Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others. For forum issues, please contact one of us Moderators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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