The 430 was being tested in 2015?

[Solstice 71]

I was also told by a dealer that the "party line" from the factory was that there would not be a charge cooled exige due to packaging issues. 

The factory really should have a "no comment" policy on information they do not wish to make public, (which with commercial information would be perfectly understandable) misleading the dealers effects their customer relationships which have been hard one, and could impact on future business.

For me the issue isn't the fact that there is an upgraded model, but that people have been unnecessarily misled along the way.

[ExigeSport350SE 1]

Yes, it was Lotus Social Media and Jean Marc Gales himself who misled the public on this:

>> Following the recent launch of the lighter, faster Sport 380 variant, ‘there is nothing more to come from the Exige’, Gales says, although he allows there are still ideas for an increased downforce bodywork package, which may find its way onto a track-only version in the near future. <<

Source:

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/lotus/what-is-lotus-up-to-in-2017-and-beyond/

 

And in contradistinction to this, how often did Jean Marc Gales announce the Evora Roadster? Saying how easy it was to design? And saying that it was long overdue as an obvious addition to the Evora range? But never happened to date...

 

 

[AdamK 29]

A Lotus FB/Instagram post from yesterday basically told everyone that more exciting things are in the pipeline for 2018. 

Ok, so JMG has told us all that 430Bhp is the most that the road cars gearbox can handle. Where do Lotus go from here with the S3 platform assuming 430 is the power limit? Lighter? More aero? Faster Hethel lap times? More expensive cars?

Surely a convertible Evora is on the cards which will also be sold in America? This surely makes good business sense if they can sell a load of them. 

I happen to like reading about new Loti every month. Makes me happy. Roll on 2018. 

[Buddsy 1,626]

To me this whole thread highlights how many people don't necessarily understand how a manufacturing factory is run.

In my experience there are no full factory meeting or communication to the workforce "Right lads we are going to start work developing a new 500"

90% of the workforce will come to work and whilst still passionate just crack on with pride assembling the parts they are tasked with.

90% of the workforce will have little or no knowledge of what avenues development engineers could be investigating and only get information from hearsay and what some people may have seen. Rhumers are often around but mostly these developments would not be of much importance to many of the workforce who are there simply to do their job.

I could well imagine the sales chaps are not aware of all the updates going on at all times in the factory. Im sure there are some like issues arising from customers complaints but their goal will be to sell more cars in the here and now.

Some call it the mushroom model. Keep them in the dark and throw shit at them every now and again. May not always seem the nicest way to treat staff but in many ways thats just the reality of manufacturing from what I see in factories I get to visit.

 

buddsy

[JG220 273]

On 29/12/2017 at 15:00, cbaileyuk said:

Is Crouchy's account one to believe or not then?

You initially question the source of the referred to information, then someone comes along with a plausible account so you then take your scepticism to another level and ask readers to not believe everything we are told, even claims which include manufacturer's comment. Such comments from you sound incredibly disingenuous. Very typical modus operandi for this sort of situation.. 

You can set your watch by the predictability of The Pits’s replies. Someone has a go at Lotus (usually legitimately) fan boy comes along with a predictable reply. 

It’s one of the reasons I don’t read this forum much because any free speech is silenced. 

Great shame really. 

Edited January 1, 2018 by JG220

[C8RKH 6,265]

Only one Fan Boy around here and that's me!  That position is taken.

Happy 2018 everyone. Wish you all many happy miles and lotus satisfaction.

If many of you are like me, then it's time to get on the Chapman programme and add some lightness.

[JG220 273]

We’re all fans, we just don’t need to be told to be. And we don’t need legitimate concerns quashed in every single thread. 

I think The Pits thinks he is helping, by ensuring that any prospective owner isn’t put off (or maybe trying to justify his own decisions) by the quirks. Actually, because it’s so biased, it’s a massive turn off the brand. Just needs to reign it in a bit and it would be fine. 

Happy new year.

[BatMobile 524]

The problem with written comments is that the tone is set by the reader and not the writer so I think the pits comments have been taken in the wrong way. I think he is just trying to call for some logic and balanced thinking.

due to budgets lotus development has been slow historically, however that had to change post Geely. I think we can all agree the past 12 months for the exige has been short termist however no one knows what is going on behind closed doors; maybe a statement from lotus would help appease some.

before geely they probably had planned a slower release agenda but with the investment it was more a case of clear the decks with the exige so we can focus on the suv and New platforms/cars.

From their perspective to lose a few who swear never again is worthwhile for all the new customers the new models will open up. To recruit more people becomes a risk to quality and the lotus dna so it’s better to fast forward through the development and put your guys onto the new work ASAP.

Lotus need to get better at the communication side now they are “bigger” but I don’t think we will see such a compact release agenda again; well not within the same model line anyway.

[C8RKH 6,265]

I just get sick of the carping on and the whinging to be honest.

For fuck sake, get real people. Who actually gives a shit if a test mule was running around a couple of years ago? I mean, if the tests were negative or inconclusive or showed up a fatal flaw then the tests would have been consigned to the history archives and nothing would have come about it. That's what R&D is all about 0 to see the art of the possible - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes the idea is shelved only to be resurrected as a result of something else non related that presented a light bulb moment. Maybe that is what happened here. None of us have a bloody real scooby-do as to the facts, yet all of a sudden we're experts and half of us manage to convince ourselves that it is a great conspiracy to defraud etc....

Imagine then the noise from the people on here whinging now of "what could have been" or "if only lotus had" if in a few years the existence of th mule came out after no charge cooled Exige! I mean, what is the legitimate concern that here is being raised? That lotus dared to create a test mule and tell nobody about it? You really need to get a grip of yourselves if this is really a problem to you.

We're starting to get to the point now on here where for some people it matters not what Lotus do, or don't do, it just feels they want to have a whinge about it.

As for defending Lotus on a Lotus Forum then again, get to fuck! What do you expect here? I mean, really? Sorry if this offends, but I'm getting sick of the bashing for what looks like bashing sake for me and some of it is getting quite pointy at individuals. Their is plenty of goading that goes on here too, to get the reaction. Maybe we just focus on FACTS and celebrating the fact that Lotus still makes cars for people who want to drive great driving cars as opposed to buying cars as investments.

Again, happy 2018 everyone.

 

[910Esprit 532]

13 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

Who actually gives a shit if a test mule was running around a couple of years ago

Scroll back to start of thread ;-)  But I agree with you.  I'm suprised that people are suprised and IPR will be a closely guarded secret until it is not...    In 'real' life, my office has a fair number of nobs,  I just choose who I associate with.  What can you really expect on any public forum?

Oh yeah - happy 2018

 

[Barrykearley 6,867]

When’s the new esprit coming ???

[The Pits 4,408]

2 hours ago, JG220 said:

You can set your watch by the predictability of The Pits’s replies. Someone has a go at Lotus (usually legitimately) fan boy comes along with a predictable reply. 

It’s one of the reasons I don’t read this forum much because any free speech is silenced. 

Great shame really. 

You don't appear to have been silenced do you? So this comment appears to have no basis in reality at all.

 

 

[Buddsy 1,626]

Ive never seen any moderator silencing anybodies thoughts?

People are always free to say what they like good or bad about Lotus. When things go wrong people on here usually seem to try to find a solution rather then whinging on and on.

buddsy 

[Barrykearley 6,867]

Now - let’s talk about homosexual murderers ......

and don’t forget when is the new esprit coming.

[Buddsy 1,626]

 

Oh now you can shut up! 

Actually we did once have one on here didnt we...I dont think he was even moderated!

buddsy

[The Pits 4,408]

A bit surreal to be waking up to this today.

Anyone with personal grievances is welcome to get in touch by private mail, for the sake of everyone else who'd rather be discussing the topic.

It's also more adult to deal with personal issues privately than harbour grudges and build up resentment to the point where you can't even see past your own baggage.

"Lotus have the right to silence but to mislead anyone is definitely crossing the line and totally unnecessary.... I can’t defend intentionally misleading anyone. Another reason to keep the dealers better informed, they are largely kept in the dark at the moment."

The most openly critical thing written on this thread!

Still not happy? PM please from here on.

[Top cat 76]

2 hours ago, JG220 said:

You can set your watch by the predictability of The Pits’s replies. Someone has a go at Lotus (usually legitimately) fan boy comes along with a predictable reply. 

It’s one of the reasons I don’t read this forum much because any free speech is silenced. 

Great shame really. 

 

2 hours ago, JG220 said:

We’re all fans, we just don’t need to be told to be. And we don’t need legitimate concerns quashed in every single thread. 

I think The Pits thinks he is helping, by ensuring that any prospective owner isn’t put off (or maybe trying to justify his own decisions) by the quirks. Actually, because it’s so biased, it’s a massive turn off the brand. Just needs to reign it in a bit and it would be fine. 

Happy new year.

This ( for me ) is a perfect summation of how all the S3 Exige threads pan out in relation to design faults or new model version's. Lotus constantly muddy the waters ( depth too shallow )and The Pit's gargles it. Low and behold it comes out crystal clear all be it decanted into an opaque glass. You might guess i have just made that up while writing my post. 

I have to add though this does not put me off Lotus or indeed this section of the forum. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see through it and read between the lines.

It is quite clear he is a very nice and honourable man, who has set himself a stiff challenge explaining how,  ( he believes ) Lotus operate. 

While lotus continue to raise the cost ( to buy )these latest versions, more and more punters are going to question and complain what is going on.

 

What a challenge Lotus have re-aligning themselves higher up in the market, without any tangible investment in the product. Good luck to Lotus and The Pits. 

[Bibs 11,176]

This thread has been reported to the moderators for watching. Any more personal attacks will be dealt with using either warnings or your account being removed from the site. Read the rules you agreed to, 'play nice' is one of them. This isn't some sort of playground.

Talking of which, Mr Bailey, I've read your posts on seloc...

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You can't talk to them on there - a complete turd with a lotus badge pop riveted on would be hailed as dream vehicle. Its partisantastic.

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You will be marched out as a heretic about 1 hr after the posting

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Def not fanboys here. TLF is cult like on that front.  

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Shut down threads due to negative vibes? Are you trying to turn this into TLF?

None of those posts of yours have any founding in reality. There are plenty of examples of balanced threads on both sides of the discussion about Lotus cars, none have been shut down due to negative vibes (this thread being an example) and we've never banned anyone for being a 'heretic' (again, this thread being an example). You're talking rubbish mate. 

If you don't like the people on here, why do you keep returning? I suspect it's just to stir up a fight. and if that continues to be the case I will review your access to the forums as that's against our rules, which again you agreed to when you joined. If you do get banned, it won't be for being a heretic, it'll be for be your persistent confrontational posting style. 

This is no longer a point for discussion though, back on topic please. 

[cbaileyuk 57]

Comments on other forums are exactly that. Not fight stirring,; Pits comment in relation to questioning belief of what is said by other's was disingenuous to those that make such comments. He publicised that thinking, no one else. And clearly others are thinking the same as their comments are far more direct than mine

But I take your points on board.

[stratosboy 46]

come on guys, lets not allow this to turn into the playground. I absolutely agree that comments usually offered on this particular topic (V6 Exige) by: 'The Pits' are always biased in favour of Lotus. Which is off-putting. I don't understand why this can't be stated? ........but also, 'The Pits' is entitled to whatever views he has.

 

[The Pits 4,408]

Some really poisonous garbage from @cbaileyuk here. Anyone can read for themselves what was posted on page 1. At no point did I question Crouchy's comment, go and read it again. It's appalling to now present as fact that I doubted what was written. This, on a thread about mis-information!

I've tried really hard to rise above this for the benefit of everyone else but enough is enough. I was asked if I believed Crouchy or not, an absurd shit-stirring question that I chose not to dignify. Like everyone else I'm totally against any attempt to mislead customers, how could anyone possibly be in favour? It's entirely reasonable to question the sources of this mis-information though. I totally stand by that. Most are quick to say "Lotus said x" when really they heard it elsewhere. If Crouchy had heard it first hand from people at the factory then that's appalling. As with earlier posts my condemnation of this could not be clearer. You have chosen to interpret that as doubting Crouchy, not something that ever happened at any point. Nice job in making a big deal out of absolutely nothing.

You clearly don't understand the term 'disingenuous' but it's what happens when someone posts on a forum that he relentlessly slags-off elsewhere.

Anyone who 'likes' your posts ought to see what's become of the playground these days. Those who really want 'balance' will find it here.

Sincere offer to discuss this openly and honestly by pm still stands if anyone's big enough to try that route. So far, no takers which speaks volumes.

No more on this from me.

For everyone else my apologies for my part in such a disgracefully awful thread.

[cbaileyuk 57]

I'll discuss it privately by all means, I have no problem with that (if it's the 'big enough' point you are relying on) but you can't publicise your thinking then when you are questioned on it want to make everything private.

I think the logic behind my point was very clear. It was presented to you as fact a page ago and the same approach was carried forward. It was presented in that way because that is how it reads. 

It's irrelevant now though, you've made your position clear, as have the forum mods. This forum has a particular approach and it is very very difficult to speak against it. 

As I said above, I take the points made by Bibs on board.

[Barrykearley 6,867]

So when is the new esprit being unveiled then?

[stephenwhyte 1,900]

Barry I think you’ve slipped into the wrong section my friend......tread carefully it’s slippy in here!

[Buddsy 1,626]

45 minutes ago, Barrykearley said:

So when is the new esprit being unveiled then?

Apparently they were testing a mule in 1975...

sorry couldn't resist...back on topic

buddsy