Barrykearley 5,079 Report post Posted January 4, 2018 Righto - I’m proper bloody confused this is the bearing which is with my car The bearing itself removes from this assembly by undoing the clip sj sports list a replacement assembly and a bearing. The assembly looks noticeably different. The bearing requires you to press put the middle and reuse. The middle of the above bearing does not press out - tried on a press - trust me it’s a one piece thing. this just looks wrong Which is this but needs to swap bits everything I can find simply doesn’t look right - I can’t be the only person to have had this issue - help Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrykearley 5,079 Report post Posted January 4, 2018 And then there’s this - GT3 bearing - 8mm nose protrusion..... sounds similar to what I’ve presently got.......ffs my head hurts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eeyoreish 730 1 Vehicles Report post Posted January 4, 2018 Wrong one fitted to your car by a PO? Is that even possible? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrykearley 5,079 Report post Posted January 4, 2018 ? it’s starting to piss me off slightly........ I just want to know what I’ve got in my heap of bits.... and put the right part back on. This seems harder than it should be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrykearley 5,079 Report post Posted January 4, 2018 @Sparky your gt3 - have you done the clutch? Have a looksee at this thing I’ve got please.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky 1,946 Report post Posted January 4, 2018 Yup. As far as I'm aware they're all the same from 1988 on for 4cyls apart from S300/S4s. I think PNM's solution is a good 'un. If SJ sells the individual replacement bearing, then it must be interchangeable! Unless yours is fitted with something different..? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrykearley 5,079 Report post Posted January 4, 2018 The kit is a helix kit and has come from SJ so I’ve found out tonight. I’m guessing I need to buy a proper assembly as the fingers on the old pressure plate were nearly worn off Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chillidoggy 3,422 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 Are you taking any notice of what I'm saying? It's like talking to the wife, FFS! Did you look up the bearing number I gave you? 600407 ORS - that is the S4 bearing. I've found the photos of the disassembled bearings, so pick the bones out of these - you should be able to see that the S4 has 'special' ORS bearing with a protruding centre. The S4s has a separate machined stepped tube that fits inside the bearing as can be seen in the last photo - that's the protrusion. There is also a plain flat spacer in there. What bearing numbers do you have? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrykearley 5,079 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 Thanks @Chillidoggy - it’s looking like the bearing I currently have is a gt3 bearing set - which is significantly cheaper on deroure £88 vs £360. The step simply doesn’t push out and it’s definitely differently. That might explain the terrible wear on the old pressure plate fingers I don’t have any spacer shim thing either Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrykearley 5,079 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 Righto - the one I have is a gt3 bearing. Apparently they are dimensionally the same as the S4s one. Got bored of looking at bearings now - and have just ordered a replacement one from SJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky 1,946 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 Really? I'm amazed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chillidoggy 3,422 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 Me too. What are the bearing numbers you have? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chillidoggy 3,422 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 http://precisionrpm.com/prod/B21489548C6AFAE947257378006F0F4A Figure 3 is the S4 bearing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve V8 1,192 1 Vehicles Report post Posted January 5, 2018 NEE NUR NEE NUR NEE NUR.......I can hear the pussy wagon coming......NEE NUR NEE NUR NEE NUR......it's full of pussy police.....NEE NUR NEE NUR NEE NUR.....they're coming to get @Chillidoggy for putting paper down to protect his furniture. Us real men wouldn't have done that, No, we would have wiped the furniture so as not to contaminate our oily parts, we're hard we can take the consequences, can you hear it, it's coming, NEE NUR NEE NUR NEE NUR. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrykearley 5,079 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 Cheers @Steve V8 - you have indeed spotted the very obvious difference between our two pictures. 8 hours ago, Chillidoggy said: http://precisionrpm.com/prod/B21489548C6AFAE947257378006F0F4A Figure 3 is the S4 bearing. That looks like the bearing I have Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chillidoggy 3,422 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Barrykearley said: Cheers @Steve V8 - you have indeed spotted the very obvious difference between our two pictures. That looks like the bearing I have What’s the bearing number? Put your bloody specs on and post it up here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrykearley 5,079 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 There’s no chuffing numbers on it other than on the seals... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chillidoggy 3,422 Report post Posted January 14, 2018 Oh, yes there is.......... http://www.skf.com/uk/products/bearings-units-housings/ball-bearings/deep-groove-ball-bearings/deep-groove-ball-bearings/index.html?designation=61908-2RZ So, to clear up the S4s bearing mystery once and for all, it has a 61908-2RZ bearing, a thrust washer with a recessed seat for the specially-machined tube, as per the photo below. The S4 release bearing on the other hand is 600407 ORS and it already has an extra-long inner, so doesn't require the machined tube. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrykearley 5,079 Report post Posted January 14, 2018 Mine doesn’t look like that - it has the raised middle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chillidoggy 3,422 Report post Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Barrykearley said: Mine doesn’t look like that - it has the raised middle That's because it has the S4 bearing fitted. See my earlier photo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrykearley 5,079 Report post Posted January 14, 2018 Yeah - I ain’t sure what I’ve got is correct. I just want something in there that’s right and will work Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chillidoggy 3,422 Report post Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, Barrykearley said: Yeah - I ain’t sure what I’ve got is correct. I just want something in there that’s right and will work Did you measure up the bearing lengths? Proof of the pudding will be in the driving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrykearley 5,079 Report post Posted January 14, 2018 62mm across 37mm hole 14mm tall on the wider flat bit 21mm tall overall. Insert is about 7mm the old fingers where the nose of this bearing sits is really badly worn. I just want the correct bloody thing in there so I don’t need to bugger about with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chillidoggy 3,422 Report post Posted January 14, 2018 If I get in the garage tomorrow, I’ll see if I can measure up what I have. I can’t think why the S4 and S4s release bearings should be different, unless as I said, the clutches come up different lengths. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrykearley 5,079 Report post Posted January 14, 2018 Cheers - I think the S4s clutch assembly sticks out more - dunno how true that is - but that’s my understanding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
