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My Arse!! These are figures for 12 months.

  • 68,968 robbery offences, up 29%
  • 138,045 sex offences, up 23%
  • 37,443 knife crime offences, up 21%
  • 1,291,405 violent crime offences, up 20%

Don't even get me started on the Govts stand on not stopping people to search them for weapons because it might offend them!

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Sad state that the UK is going this way,   It shows to me that the law is far to soft,  you do the crime, you should do the time..    but sadly the punishments handed out these days does reflect the crimes and this is why others offend and the massive rise in crimes is reflected by this imo.  

Carrying a Knife on the street should incur a mandatory sentence along with other dangerous weapons. 

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  • 68,968 robbery offences, up 29%
  • 138,045 sex offences, up 23%
  • 37,443 knife crime offences, up 21%
  • 1,291,405 violent crime offences, up 20%

I have re-checked the above figures using government methodology and can confirm that serious crime is down by at least 50%....

If you read anywhere that there are hospital waiting lists, this is just fake news, probably the Russians, or North Korea, or somebody.....

 

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Dunno about that pic Dan. Surely that sign should read "Give us our free money back for not working" from the looks of them!

11 hours ago, Advantage said:

"That would be a civil matter, sir. "

"Here's a crime reference number."

"I had to do over 100mph to catch you up so you must have been speeding."

Yep, the police say all kinds of things. :thumbup: 

that would be a Civil matter because they don't have resources to deal with a Civil matter that they used to be able to mediate

Crime reference number instead of seeing an Officer because they don't have the resources to come out to everything cause the few Officers they do have are dealing with 999 calls

Had to do over 100mph because they are traffic cops :)  (I'll give you that one).

Yup the Police have all sorts of lack of resources.

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Rob from Peter to pay Paul !     What really grips me is the fact that with the introduction of the local council tax,  After this had been introduced everything should of been rosey as it was even less money to be taken out of the actual goverment pot/stash imo ......    :ermm:

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Guvt cuts then blame the Council. Doesn't make them look so bad then!

But that said, our council have just put Council tax up by 4.99% saying they need money for services and roads, yet last year they had £10 million "buffer" stashed away in a high interest account.

Not to also mention they bought a £7 million new computer system that they were told wouldn't do what they wanted it to do. Had to scrap it and the money and spend another £10 million. no one lost their job over that cause "They were trying to save money". 

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So what do you want,pay more taxes?,better use of the resources provided?,  Less bureaucracy?,more of doing what we want rather than what they want? What?

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4 hours ago, Kimbers said:

that would be a Civil matter because they don't have resources to deal with a Civil matter that they used to be able to mediate

Crime reference number instead of seeing an Officer because they don't have the resources to come out to everything cause the few Officers they do have are dealing with 999 calls

Had to do over 100mph because they are traffic cops :)  (I'll give you that one).

Yup the Police have all sorts of lack of resources.

Sounds like a bunch of lame excuses in an attempt to cover up ineptitude. 

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At the grand old age of 51 (in a few weeks time), the thing I keep asking myself (and struggle to get my head around?) is this:

it is easy to always look at the past and imagine things were always rosy and the sun was always shining but as an example, when I was at secondary school (late 70's to early 80's), we had a Police house in the village (population circa 1000 - today over 2500) who everyone knew, when you rang the emergency services someone actually turned up to help.

Have the costs of providing 'services' gone up in a proportion so far removed from the amount of £ being collected in Taxation? (in whatever form). If so, how come - all the supposed 'experts' have apparently allowed the gap to widen exponentially over the last 40+ years without a thought to the outcomes facing us now.

When Tim Burners Lee created the internet and magnanimously gave it to the world, do you imagine he even considered the impact it would have on the change in the nature of crime and the costs involved in combatting it?

Personally, I think all mega IT/comms companies involved in providing all these new (or not so new now!) platforms which the criminal fraternity now exploit, should automatically pay a levy to help pay for the costs involved in managing cyber crime. Maybe if this were the case, they'd do more than pay scant lip service to the issues involved.

Personally, I'd happily sacrifice the advances in comms tech - I abhor mobile phones - yes, I get their benefits but do people REALLY need to be on the f*cking things ALL the time? I sure as hell don't and guess what - I'm still here, alive and pretty happy with my lot.

I actually think that there will ultimately be some sort of revolution at some point in time as people get sick of always being at the beck and call of bosses, wives, kids etc. I started working for the Min of Agriculture in 1990 before the introduction of office computers (we are talking a Govt dept here lol). All things were done on paper and manila files. Has the acceleration in response times and expectation improved service delivery since then - I very much doubt it.

My MIL's phone (on which she depends for her fall alarm) developed a fault on Sunday last week - it still isn't fixed nearly a week later, in spite of 4 calls/messages from BT telling me it has been fixed - and no engineer has visited our end of things to determine the problem. Some progress!!

Back to my original point, things always seem to be getting worse - whether in reality they actually are is very difficult to qualify. My car preference is resolutely stuck in the 70's but that doesn't make them better!

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6 hours ago, Advantage said:

Sounds like a bunch of lame excuses in an attempt to cover up ineptitude. 

I'm lucky enough to work directly with several forces day in day out, so 

I'm not preaching but it really isn't as simple as blaming direct cuts in police funding to rise in reported crime, just as a flavour some other issues that a a less prosperous nation and cuts to service has driven:

  • Social care cuts mean support workers are vastly reduced, both in numbers and the hours they work - the police fill this gap, where they normally didn't - it is not the polices responsibility to care for the mentally ill, but they can't walk away - very rare to find an officer that doesn't actually care about people, no matter how much of a d**k they appear!
  • Mental Health issues are rising - combined with above, the police are doing yet more in bringing the gap between agencies
  • Drug and alcohol abuse is becoming more of a problem - this again means the police are looking after drunks and stopping themeselves 
  • Cybercrime is massively up - this requires specialist officers (which are very rare, people rarely join the police as they want to interrogate IT systems, rather than people), the local intel that was precious before is irrelevant, pulling officers off the street into offices. Cybercrime is more than a victimless crime, if you don't beat it, you can't beat drugs gangs for example, leading to increase in drugs on the streets, therefor gang crime increases, drug use increase, robbery increases.
  • Crime is more sophisticated, ignoring any cyber element. Crime is global now, the days of the gentleman gangster are gone. Crime is not about a patch. This forces police to work across agencies, with other forces, other countries - all massive resource suckers

Just some examples, but it's not just a case of police spending down, so crime must go up, spending down across the board means the need for policing goes up. Combine this with a massive increase in CT spend (especially this year) then it gets worse, there is only so much money to go around. The policy have to clean up after society breaks down - it's a rot they can't stop, but have to keep cleaning up.

Also crime reporting is up. Online reporting of crime is massively up, a huge proportion of non violent or emergency crimes are reported online - this is driven by both a need to divert resources to the street, not doing paperwork, and a desire by the public to not have to call the police for something they don't need physical presence for.

On the other hand, most forces are massively inefficient and the waste is astronomical. A decade or two ago police spending was huge and they were just wasting it, crime was not falling, public faith was low and the spend was not justifying results. The waste has to change. Public sector rules mean that performance is measured on a very short term basis, whats in the evening standard one night that outrages people, will not see them investing in services for another 10 years. 

I've never met a single officer who wants to do a bad job, and I wish the police had better public support, the attitude of the public after last years attacks to officers on the street was inspiring show just how much people appreciate officers throwing on that uniform and try to do their bit!

Saying all that it's bl**dy tedious how an officer can turn any conversation onto a rant about pensions within about 15 mins!

 

 

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8 hours ago, MrP_ said:

 

  • Mental Health issues are rising - combined with above, the police are doing yet more in bringing the gap between agencieS

This ^^^ particularly. I’d rather not embellish my personal experiences of this one - other than to say the nhs close these services at 5pm Friday and are closed until Monday at 9am.  

 

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