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And back at the farmyard exotics cave - normal service is resumed - with two dirty bitches tucked up

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the next patient will be arriving soon - and I just know you will all recognise her 👍

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Having suffered from some awful ABS issues tail end of last year, I had been a bit stuck. The issue was so bad that I almost ended up piling into the back of a lorry on the way home from Brands Hatch 2017.

Thanks to @Chillidoggy @Sparky and @Barrykearley the replacement system has now been fitted. I can confirm IT WORKS. Not just works but REALLY works. Makes the car draw up beautifully far better than even a fully operational DM system. Great pedal feel and excellent feedback. The workmanship of the bracket and kit is excellent and I for one want to extend my sincere thanks to the trio for taking the time to put this thing together. It has truly transformed the purple nasty into what it always should have been. Great job chaps. I look forward to actually driving the car! :-) one VERY happy Lotus owner.

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If I was keeping my car, I would hope that I would be able to try a car with this setup. I still have the DM setup on my car. Just currently about to bleed the rears and then the master etc. I have never thought the brakes to be that bad.

 

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It really depends on what you want and can live with.

worst case these brakes can be lethal - best case you can live with the mediocrity of them.

I have an S4 with fully functional delco. The S4s has a servo. The servo wins hands down in every regard

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When you says it wins hands down, what do you mean? My brakes have never failed when I have driven the car. The brakes have always pulled the car up. About the only time I have felt the ABS cut in was when I was braking fairly hard into a corner coming home and went through a patch of gravel.

I have never felt that the braking effect has differed between applications. This is even when I had the car on a small track day in WA or having some fun going through some roads in the forest over here in Vic.

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Pedal feel is progressive - rather than like a rock. It pulls up in a whole lot less time.

Dont get me wrong - the S4 brakes are just fine. But they aren’t anywhere near as good as on the S4s. 

I’m guessing many folks are living with driving a car whose brakes you have to second guess and drive accordingly. With a proper working servo - it sets you free to drive 

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16 minutes ago, ramjet said:

When you says it wins hands down, what do you mean? My brakes have never failed when I have driven the car. The brakes have always pulled the car up. About the only time I have felt the ABS cut in was when I was braking fairly hard into a corner coming home and went through a patch of gravel.

I have never felt that the braking effect has differed between applications. This is even when I had the car on a small track day in WA or having some fun going through some roads in the forest over here in Vic.

Sounds to me like you are one of the lucky ones who have a fully working DM system. The replacement servo system (which I have installed) is a total transformation. I never thought I'd say that about brakes - but I do sincerely mean it. Unlike the DM system where there is very little travel or feel when you hit the brakes - with the servo system on my S4 gives so much feedback - and it draws up really quickly. I've found myself leaving braking later and not being disappointed. plus you don't need to stab at the pedal, gentle pressure is all it takes. I completely trust the system in my car - rather than before leaving the braking late and sailing past the junction has added a real extra dimension to driving the Esprit.

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29 minutes ago, Chillidoggy said:

Ramjet, you must have wooden legs if you can’t tell the difference between the Delco Moraine and a normal vacuum servo system!

I can feel the difference between my DM system and a vacuum servo system, but every car I have driven lately with more superior systems is also a much younger car than my 24 year old Esprit.

Nose can dip quite sharply if I really get on them and I have never sailed through a junction as Paul mentioned above.

Maybe I am one of the lucky ones as he says. :) 

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Thing with luck - it runs out.

The white S4 i did some weeks ago - that car was damn right dangerous. Brakes were absolutely non existent. Passed an mot like that though so make of that what you will. 

The S4s brakes were ok with the solenoid fuses pulled. With them fuses fitted - it threw the car violently left and right under heavy braking.

i find the delco dropping pedal syndrome somewhat frightening and the idea of a brake pedal being akin to a gamble button on a fruit machine isn’t something I like

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I think the Delco system has gotten an undeserved bad reputation. Whilst the brake pedal feel isn''t the best it still does the job of braking safely fine. Most of the issues come down to poor maintenance and failing to bleed it correctly. Especially with bleeding the accumulator where most garages fail to spend the considerable time it takes to get the air out of the fluid. I suspect people following the Service Notes procedure which is for LHD vehicles on RHD vehicles doesn't help either, notably for the isolation valves.

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The S4 I had in recently - that had been looked after by Mattys - they spent a long time trying to make it function. And cost a lot.

the car then spent another 4 weeks at another specialist at great expense. Again still wasn’t safe.

pays your money takes your choice I suppose  

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