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Today I unfortunately witnessed some disgusting behaviour on beech here in Devon. A man and a woman arguing in front of a load of kids. Then she smacked him one right across the head and it all kicked

I entered farming with views that the countryside should be preserved and agricultural land should remain agricultural land, after all we all need feeding. Over the years I have become quite disillusi

Well, we have a Happy, Unhappy one, so this was bound to come.....   This: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44230865 Not that they are not coming. I couldn't care less either way

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Wow, Andy, that's going to be a hard rant to follow But give me a day or two to think about it. Might start with Vauxhall VX, Thomson holiday disasters, Civil service, Poor salary for nurses and doctors, well all emergency response staff. The M25. The A1 (M). The roads North of the border. Got some good options to work on. Might even add in a bit about beach towels on sunbeds.

 

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3 minutes ago, Chillidoggy said:

Stuck in a traffic jam in the middle of nowhere* in the Esprit.

 

 

*somewhere near Great Yarmouth.

You mean it made the Esprit boil?

 

34 minutes ago, johnpwalsh said:

Wow, Andy, that's going to be a hard rant to follow But give me a day or two to think about it. Might start with Vauxhall VX, Thomson holiday disasters, Civil service, Poor salary for nurses and doctors, well all emergency response staff. The M25. The A1 (M). The roads North of the border. Got some good options to work on. Might even add in a bit about beach towels on sunbeds.

Go for it John - that's the whole point of the thread - get it off your chest so you can park it and never get stressed by it.  I have a list as long as Cindy Crawford's legs for this topic!  Gonna start on the deluded Scottish Nasty Party next I think, we need to get rid of that shouty fish!  Mind you, after having Salmon (sic), then Sturgeon maybe next we'll get Sponge Bob. But then if Corbyn moves North we'd have Cap'n Birds Eye.

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Go for it John - that's the whole point of the thread - get it off your chest so you can park it and never get stressed by it.  I have a list as long as Cindy Crawford's legs for this topic!  Gonna start on the deluded Scottish Nasty Party next I think, we need to get rid of that shouty fish!  Mind you, after having Salmon (sic), then Sturgeon maybe next we'll get Sponge Bob. But then if Corbyn moves North we'd have Cap'n Birds Eye.

 

Lets see, where will I start. Something close to everyone's heart, wallet and bank accounts.

Oil companies. Last three years oil in the doldrum's. Prices falling. Thousands of redundancies. Oil at 69 USD per barrel, bang the prices up, we need more profit. And that's after thousands on the dole and huge maintenance cutbacks. June 2018, oil up to 80 USD per barrel and rising, hey guy's, yes you who sell our petrol, get your prices back up to £1.33 per Lt, we are making profit now, lets grab some more and be like the chip shop owners come October. Chip shop's you say. Yes. Come October all, chip shops put up signs. New tatties, price increase by 15P per portion. Tell me, have you ever seen prices come down when the tatties are no longer new. And shops with their bloody Use before dates. The said tatties can be kept in pits for 5 or 6 months, that's not bloody new is it, nor does it quantify for a best before date. The date comes when said bag of tatties is getting soft, not when you first see a sprout coming from them. Then you get the same supermarket selling fresh fish on a Sunday evening. The bloody market closed about 10am on Saturday and you are 300 miles from the nearest market, fresh my A. Back to oil. Yes things are picking up and there  are more jobs on the go. Tell me what other industry is there where the employee has to undergo hazardous training in a simulated, upturned helicopter where he has to fight his way out and survive, where your chest measurement has to be under a certain size and you have to attend medicals every couple of years AND if you were unfortunate enough to be one of the thousands hit by previously mentioned cut back's, but are lucky enough to get an interview, you are then told to update ALL your certificates, AT YOUR OWN EXPENSE. All in this can run into thousands of pounds, oh, I forgot, you've been unemployed for x amount of months and have used up your previously hard earned cash to feed your family and pay your mortgage. Never mind you think, go to the unemployment office and they will help. Sorry, no funds we have spent it all on illegal immigrants hotels and 5 star treatment while we look for a way in a couple of years time to kick them back out at you, the tax payers expense.

 

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Well, where do I start. I think this could be the perfect topic for me as I am sure I have now become a fully fledged grumpy old bugger.

Firstly, the EU and the Common Agricultural policy and complete utter job creation scheme for the British civil service the way it has been implemented. An example being to be expected to keep grass in field between 10 and 17 cm long all year round (for Christ's sake 3 heavy days of rain and a couple of sunny days and the grass exceeds the maximum limit and being advised to paint marks on your wellies so you can check - Arrgghh!). Another example being there are 2 aspects to the grants run by 2 separate parts of the civil service who wont pass information or talk to each other because (I have been told on the phone) they don't trust the each other and the other group are basically muppets. Also to get one  grant you need to apply to apply and then re-apply with what they are offering you - The amount of paperwork is mind boggling. I could go on!!

The other biggy for me at the moment is the NHS. Carina's father (who has just died) had dementia, was doubly incontinent, was completely bed ridden unless a hoist was used, didn't even recognise that he was in his own home most of the time, etc.. etc.. was assessed to see if the NHS could provide some support. In their wisdom the assessors decided he was fine and didn't need any support. The fact that he had to have 2 carers providing 24hr support, living in his house, made no difference at all (we tried one but none of them could cope). The only time the NHS were of any use was for his end of life care. This is not a gripe about the poor NHS staff on the ground - it's the bean counters and assessors. We were having to pay almost £2000.00 a week in the end for his support and for someone who has paid in considerable sums in tax over the years he was completely let down. To me it felt like the assessors came in looked around and decided he had a nice house therefore didn't need to provide any help.

All I can say is thanks - I was trying to put all this behind me and you just had to drag it all back up 🙂 - Ahh my blood pressure!

And don't get me started about pot holes.....

 

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6 minutes ago, march said:

and being advised to paint marks on your wellies

If find the L&R on my wellies extremely helpful.👣

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21 hours ago, Chillidoggy said:

Stuck in a traffic jam in the middle of nowhere* in the Esprit.

 

 

*somewhere near Great Yarmouth.

And once again, somone who CBA to come see Tony on their way past!!

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29 minutes ago, Kimbers said:

And once again, somone who CBA to come see Tony on their way past!!

I'd have thought they would be queuing up for a brew and to look at your new Ferrari.

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On 06/06/2018 at 17:57, C8RKH said:

 

Lincolnshire relies / relied on migrant farmers. Well, maybe if the farmers paid a little better more people would choose to break their backs in the fields to pick the food? Just means the farmers have to wait every four years for the new Range Rover rather than three, and little Farquhar or Alasdair maybe goes to a different (cheaper) private school....  

 

Can I ask what sector you work in?
As I work in predominantly soft fruit, I can say it's not the farmers or the Europeans faults. Its the lazy bastard Englishman who get tired after an hour or two of working and demand a 15 minute tea break. The Euro's come here, work their arses off and get paid the going rate. You pick your target amount and anything on top of that is bonus, You pick 100, you get paid 100 worth. It's all simple and incentive is there.  We have seen customers move off the ground grown fruits into table top systems purely because it's more efficient for harvesting and also attracts labour. Why bend over in a field to pick when I can pick fruit at normal levels. Their fruit also doesn't get trampled as often or eaten by pests. 

The real problem is the farmer gets paid next to F all for his crop, to the point where picking it costs him more money than he would get if he sold it in parts of the season where supermarket prices plummet, so they let it rot and use it for compost.

 

Every farmer I deal with is a humble self made person, they give back as much as they can because they realise its a team sport. If they support the locals etc they support him so they can both grow.

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Funny you pick one line that is me having a go at the farmers and don't quote the rest that actually is about blaming lazy fecking english people.

Just shows how stuff can be twisted eh?

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22 minutes ago, RoflOnMyWaffle said:

Well you did sort of out the farmers as being to blame too, so yeah... thought I'd try and share a different side of the story.

 

Part of the problem. Not the whole problem. So why not challenge the rest then for a different side?

You get a lot of bleating from some farmers who are doing bloody well out of the system. Very well in fact.

I'm not stoopid enough to think they are all doing superb, but many are. Probably the ones that know the system the best.

My neighbour even gets free money to build holiday homes as part of the diversification scheme. Great. I'm sure many businesses would love this sort of "free handout"!  Just saying, for the other side of the story.

Bit like Bankers and gamblers. Always complaining, but still carry on regardless...

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I didn't challenge the rest because I didn't know enough about it to say with certainty

Some farmers get paid more to keep their fields undeveloped and just as grassland than they could earn off of developing it for crops - very specific scenarios but it happens.

Most farmers house all their workers too on site, not in a fancy dig or anything, just like a holiday caravan you see at the beach, but still, they do help subsidise their workers.

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My local farmer is so lazy they don't work virtually any of their fields. They leave the fallow for years and years and years and miraculously their green field sites become "brown field" and suddenly they get built on. Absolutely making millions they are! Now whilst I don't blame them for wanting to make money, they refused to sell me the field behind our house even when I said I would have a contract that it can't be built on. I just want a nice quiet neighbourhood. But no, they won't sell it....I wonder why!

Some Farmers I know are lovely people Andy. I worked for many years on a diary & Agricultural Farm, but sadly he couldn't make ends meet and sold to a larger farmer. The trouble is that many of the "family" farmers don't have enough land to make it pay, not with the power that the Supermarkets have.

But, Mike, I do see some of what Andy has said. I was talking to a farmer in the pub the other day and he was bemoaning how he has made a loss 3 years in a row. I sympathised with him as I know with the Eu policy its hard to be a British Farmer when more goes to the French and Eastern European farmers. But then I lost all respect for him as he went outside and got in his Brand new £75000 Range Rover on a Private plate.

Now If I was running a failing business I would be looking at cost cutting the New Range Rover to a used Sportage or something. I then got even angrier when I saw on a local Facebook Page people complaining about him because he gets paid by the council to mow the verges on the roads around here and they are taller than me and not been done for months. 

So, you aren't making a profit, are doing a shit job of what you get paid to do and drive around in a very expensive car that you can't afford. 

So I can see it from both your point of view. I suppose there are good and bad everywhere and in every job. 

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Nail on the head @Kimbers which is why when people actually take the time to read my rants they usually see a balanced view (of sorts!) so hence above on the one hand I was really bemoaning the situation where we have enough unemployed males (let's not even start on the women who are usually less lazy in general) in each farming county to more than make up the EU worker shortage.  I think that's a fair point.

Why should we subsidise the lives of these lazy feckers (gentleman farmers and the unemployed!)  Again a fair point

I never once said Farmers miss treated their workers - something that ROFLOMW seems to be implying. I did say they could pay them more and backed this up by pointing out a lot of farmers do very well.

All this talk re the berries, please bear in mind that I live in the middle of the Berry Growing region in Scotland - Tayside/Angus - and I socialise with the farmers here.  Most have expensive Range Rovers or similar etc. ALL of THEIR kids go to paid for private schools. ALL of them fully exploit the properties on their farms and subsidies and grants to make the maximum return possible. All of them are doing very well thank you very much.  They are not small holders. Or crofters. Or tenants. They are large scale agricultural businesses. So whilst I fully accept life for the former can be very hard, very tough. You are totally deluded if you think there are not many farmers who are doing extremely well thank you very much!

And just like in all walks of life. Some of them are the salt of the earth. Some of them are wankers. And some of them, are complete and utter tossers who treat everyone else like a piece of manure on their boot and look down at them.

 

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The billionaire James Dyson received nearly £2million last year in farm subsidies.

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You militant bunch of buggers! 🙂

I farm (well sort of),I don't ride a bike, I have a Range Rover (but it's broken) and the farm has only made money once in the last 10 years and I have a Lotus - What does that make me then?

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