LotusFella Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 how long would you expect to be charged for a B Service? they told me 6 hours to do the Cambelts and then on top have charge 9 hours for engine oil/transmission oil/brake fluid/coolant. Furthermore they have left the braking in a very dangerous state. It now pulls massively to the right and the pedal doesn't even engage until half way down now. Was very close to the top when I dropped it off. Feeling very pissed off. 😞😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gold FFM Sparky Posted July 6, 2018 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 6 hours on the belts sounds good. Fluids should never be 9 hours (I'd say 3 or 4 tops); were there any unforeseens? Of greater concern is the braking. I'd send it straight back to them! Quote British Fart to Florida, Nude to New York, Dunce to Denmark, Numpty to Newfoundland. And Shitfaced Silly Sod to Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotusFella Posted July 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 The brakes now always pulling to the right and they never did this before the service. I do not believe it is the bushes. that’s all plus vat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Barrykearley Posted July 6, 2018 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Sounds like they need to bleed those brakes again.... Quote Only here once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Chillidoggy Posted July 6, 2018 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Or perhaps all the crap in the master cylinder has been pushed through into the calipers on bleeding. 1 Quote Margate Exotics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotusFella Posted July 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 That’s what I’m worried about. How can I flush it through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Barrykearley Posted July 6, 2018 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 More brake fluid ..... and more patience. its a pain in the arse - but it may well be easier to pull the pipe off the caliper and bleed the hoses And then check the calipers Quote Only here once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotusFella Posted July 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Barrykearley said: More brake fluid ..... and more patience. its a pain in the arse - but it may well be easier to pull the pipe off the caliper and bleed the hoses And then check the calipers Yes. That was my thinking. Are the fronts separate from the rears or all on one circuit? Any diagrams anywhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotusFella Posted July 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Sparky said: 6 hours on the belts sounds good. Fluids should never be 9 hours (I'd say 3 or 4 tops); were there any unforeseens? Of greater concern is the braking. I'd send it straight back to them! No nothing unforseen. Apart from mentioning the stuff in the brake fluid reservoir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Barrykearley Posted July 6, 2018 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Kelsey Hayes ?? Fronts are separate from rears - and I’m sure the rears are seperate from each other. Frankly this is typical of specialists - it’s not right and the explanation is bullshit Quote Only here once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailorbob Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 I think the V8 B service book times are 4.7 hours without cambelts and 8.4 hours with cambelts. Cambelt replacement when not done as part of a service is 4 hours using the revised procedure that does not require removal of the intake plenum of cam covers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotusFella Posted July 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 10 hours ago, sailorbob said: I think the V8 B service book times are 4.7 hours without cambelts and 8.4 hours with cambelts. Cambelt replacement when not done as part of a service is 4 hours using the revised procedure that does not require removal of the intake plenum of cam covers. Thanks is there anywhere I can get that confirmed as 15 hours for cambelts and fluids is taking the piss! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Barrykearley Posted July 7, 2018 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 The big question is did they quote for the work? its not a terrible invoice , for a v8, id frankly be much more concerned about the brake issue Quote Only here once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotusFella Posted July 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 50 minutes ago, Barrykearley said: The big question is did they quote for the work? its not a terrible invoice , for a v8, id frankly be much more concerned about the brake issue I am, But I already had £400 worth of parts for the service from SWLC as Castle couldn't get them. I am going to take the car to my MOT station and ask them to brake check them. then go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Barrykearley Posted July 7, 2018 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 Sadly this is where most brake issues fall down. An mot test rollers won’t pick up bad abs control as it only moves one wheel at a time. Yours sounds like a poorly performing caliper though if it’s pulling badly and the abs isn’t kicking in. Again this often won’t be shown up on the rollers. that garage shouldn’t have returned the vehicle if it’s that bad Quote Only here once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Monument Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 Try not to get to neg’d out about it. Your car is stunning. It is annoying when you have bought something and it needs little bits doing but don’t let it ruin your ownership and the smile factor. I can assure you th me more you use it , the better it will become as that’s what V8’s need. It looks the dogs bollox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Chillidoggy Posted July 7, 2018 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 I’d take it back to the garage and tell them you want it corrected. It wasn’t like that when you drove it in, was it? 1 Quote Margate Exotics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailorbob Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 Taken from the G082T0328J Esprit Labour Time Schedule. Operation Code Description Operation Hours 40.13.13-01 Pulley, water pump r&r 0.3 41.01.11-05 Camshaft drive belts (both) renew 3.0 41.04.11-01 Auxiliary belt tensioner r&r 0.3 41.05.01-01 Belt guards, upper sections r&r 0.5 41.05.02-01 Belt guard, lower section r&r 0.5 r&r = remove and refit I am not sure if any of the other operations listed fall within operation 41.01.11-05. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailorbob Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 Spotted you also had the camshaft belt tensioners and idler replaced. Operation Code Description Operation Hours 41.01.14-02 Tensioner, timing belt (both) renew 2.0 41.01.15-01 Pulley, idler timing belt r&r 1.0 Doing these operations whilst changing the camshaft belts would not take as long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 Was this a main dealer? Quote hindsight: the science that is never wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Chillidoggy Posted July 8, 2018 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 12 hours ago, pete said: Was this a main dealer? https://www.castlesportscars.co.uk/ ? Quote Margate Exotics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Sparky Posted July 8, 2018 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 So, 6 hours for the belts looks reasonable. I believe book time for a B is 9 hours? But it involves a bit more than fluid replacement. Quote British Fart to Florida, Nude to New York, Dunce to Denmark, Numpty to Newfoundland. And Shitfaced Silly Sod to Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailorbob Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 Found where I remembered the times of 4.7 hours and 8.4 hours; they are the times for a B service for the USA and non USA V8 respectively in Service Notes Section OF. The only difference between the schedules are that the USA schedule is missing the following operations: Check for free operation of both turbocharger wastegates. Carry out 'Tech 1' test. Since these do not add up to 3.7 hours there's something missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibs Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 Didn't the USA cars have to have a 100,000 mile cambelt warranty? Would that be a factor? Quote 88 Esprit NA, 89 Esprit Turbo SE, Evora, Evora S, Evora IPS, Evora S IPS, Evora S IPS SR, Evora 400, Elise S1, Elise S1 111s, Evora GT410 Sport Evora NA For forum issues, please contact the Moderators. I will aim to respond to emails/PM's Mon-Fri 9-6 GMT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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