labour time for b service.

[LotusFella 91]

how long would you expect to be charged for a B Service? they told me 6 hours to do the Cambelts and then on top have charge 9 hours for engine oil/transmission oil/brake fluid/coolant.

 

Furthermore they have left the braking in a very dangerous state.  It now pulls massively to the right and the pedal doesn't even engage until half way down now.  Was very close to the top when I dropped it off. 

Feeling very pissed off. 

 

[Dan E 1,141]

@Sparky ? 

[Sparky 2,044]

6 hours on the belts sounds good. Fluids should never be 9 hours (I'd say 3 or 4 tops); were there any unforeseens?

Of greater concern is the braking.  I'd send it straight back to them!

[LotusFella 91]

The brakes now always pulling to the right and they never did this before the service.  I do not believe it is the bushes.

that’s all plus vat

[Barrykearley 5,318]

Sounds like they need to bleed those brakes again....

[Chillidoggy 3,522]

Or perhaps all the crap in the master cylinder has been pushed through into the calipers on bleeding.

[LotusFella 91]

That’s what I’m worried about.  How can I flush it through?

 

 

[Barrykearley 5,318]

More brake fluid ..... and more patience.

its a pain in the arse - but it may well be easier to pull the pipe off the caliper and bleed the hoses

And then check the calipers

[LotusFella 91]

7 minutes ago, Barrykearley said:

More brake fluid ..... and more patience.

its a pain in the arse - but it may well be easier to pull the pipe off the caliper and bleed the hoses

And then check the calipers

Yes. That was my thinking.  Are the fronts separate from the rears or all on one circuit? Any diagrams anywhere?

 

 

[LotusFella 91]

3 hours ago, Sparky said:

6 hours on the belts sounds good. Fluids should never be 9 hours (I'd say 3 or 4 tops); were there any unforeseens?

Of greater concern is the braking.  I'd send it straight back to them!

No nothing unforseen. Apart from mentioning the stuff in the brake fluid reservoir.  

[Barrykearley 5,318]

Kelsey Hayes ?? Fronts are separate from rears - and I’m sure the rears are seperate from each other.

 

Frankly this is typical of specialists - it’s not right and the explanation is bullshit

[sailorbob 169]

I think the V8 B service book times are 4.7 hours without cambelts and 8.4 hours with cambelts. Cambelt replacement when not done as part of a service is 4 hours using the revised procedure that does not require removal of the intake plenum of cam covers.

[LotusFella 91]

10 hours ago, sailorbob said:

I think the V8 B service book times are 4.7 hours without cambelts and 8.4 hours with cambelts. Cambelt replacement when not done as part of a service is 4 hours using the revised procedure that does not require removal of the intake plenum of cam covers.

Thanks is there anywhere I can get that confirmed as 15 hours for cambelts and fluids is taking the piss!

[Barrykearley 5,318]

The big question is did they quote for the work?

its not a terrible invoice , for a v8, id frankly be much more concerned about the brake issue

[LotusFella 91]

50 minutes ago, Barrykearley said:

The big question is did they quote for the work?

its not a terrible invoice , for a v8, id frankly be much more concerned about the brake issue

I am, But I already had £400 worth of parts for the service from SWLC as Castle couldn't get them.  I am going to take the car to my MOT station and ask them to brake check them. then go from there.

[Barrykearley 5,318]

Sadly this is where most brake issues fall down. An mot test rollers won’t pick up bad abs control as it only moves one wheel at a time. Yours sounds like a poorly performing caliper though if it’s pulling badly and the abs isn’t kicking in. Again this often won’t be shown up on the rollers.

that garage shouldn’t have returned the vehicle if it’s that bad

[Stuart Monument 757]

Try not to get to neg’d out about it. Your car is stunning. It is annoying when you have bought something and it needs little bits doing but don’t let it ruin your ownership and the smile factor. I can assure you th me more you use it , the better it will become as that’s what V8’s need.  It looks the dogs bollox 

[Chillidoggy 3,522]

I’d take it back to the garage and tell them you want it corrected. It wasn’t like that when you drove it in, was it?

[sailorbob 169]

Taken from the G082T0328J Esprit Labour Time Schedule.

Operation Code	Description	Operation	Hours
40.13.13-01	Pulley, water pump	r&r	0.3
41.01.11-05	Camshaft drive belts (both)	renew	3.0
41.04.11-01	Auxiliary belt tensioner	r&r	0.3
41.05.01-01	Belt guards, upper sections	r&r	0.5
41.05.02-01	Belt guard, lower section	r&r	0.5

r&r = remove and refit

I am not sure if any of the other operations listed fall within operation 41.01.11-05.

[sailorbob 169]

Spotted you also had the camshaft belt tensioners and idler replaced.

Operation Code	Description	Operation	Hours
41.01.14-02	Tensioner, timing belt (both)	renew	2.0
41.01.15-01	Pulley, idler timing belt	r&r	1.0

Doing these operations whilst changing the camshaft belts would not take as long.

[pete 1,134]

Was this a main dealer?

[Chillidoggy 3,522]

12 hours ago, pete said:

Was this a main dealer?

https://www.castlesportscars.co.uk/ ?

[Sparky 2,044]

So, 6 hours for the belts looks reasonable.  I believe book time for a B is 9 hours?  But it involves a bit more than fluid replacement.

[sailorbob 169]

Found where I remembered the times of 4.7 hours and 8.4 hours; they are the times for a B service for the USA and non USA V8 respectively in Service Notes Section OF. The only difference between the schedules are that the USA schedule is missing the following operations:

• Check for free operation of both turbocharger wastegates.
• Carry out 'Tech 1' test.

Since these do not add up to 3.7 hours there's something missing.

[Bibs 8,861 4 Vehicles]

Didn't the USA cars have to have a 100,000 mile cambelt warranty? Would that be a factor?