Edmundo2 Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Yes I'm concious things could pick up a bit but obvsvthiscspring we've got cost of living crisis + Emira etc that might mean the market doesn't pick up quite the same as in the past..? Will see but ultimately if the right car crops up soon I'll try to jump on it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaeton91 Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 I often look back at what I paid for my 400 and think I may have paid a few grand over the odds compared to what I’m seeing now but I’ve loved every minute of owning it. As you say @Edmundo2life is short and when you actually work out how much of it is left after working, sleeping, s*****g and shaving, there’s very little left for ourselves - so it all starts to make sense - a modest loan is no problem if that’s your heart’s desire - Main thing is not to overstretch yourself and keep back a bit of a slush fund for the odd repair and a gift for the missus every so often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmundo2 Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 (edited) Indeed..Unfortunately a 400 would leave zero slush fund for year 1 but providing I don't have a major bill then routine maintenance would be OK and I'd be fine with spending a few grand a year thereafter looking after it.. I've never really stretched to buy a car but a bit of a push this time seems to make more sense as I often end up chucking loads of money at cars due to upgraditis which would likely be the way if I bought an S and would in the end cost me as much as a 400 and probably not be as good or worth as much... Edited February 2 by Bibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 I'd go for this one and save yourself a fortune. Cheaper to run/tax than an S or 400 and from WillB, a known trader of good stock. Stick a 2Bular exhaust on it for a bit more volume and away you go. https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13923781 Why are you waiting and procrastinating? Life is too short. Just get out there and do it. You won't regret it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Barrykearley Posted February 2 Gold FFM Report Share Posted February 2 That one’s an absolute no brainer. Quote Only here once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celica Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 8 minutes ago, Rambo said: I'd go for this one and save yourself a fortune. Cheaper to run/tax than an S or 400 and from WillB, a known trader of good stock. Stick a 2Bular exhaust on it for a bit more volume and away you go. https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13923781 Why are you waiting and procrastinating? Life is too short. Just get out there and do it. You won't regret it. Pretty sure this was sold last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 I agree. Clutch done too 👍 A great entry level and you can upgrade to a 400+ in a few years when you've saved more. As you say Barry, a no brainer 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmundo2 Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 3 minutes ago, Rambo said: I agree. Clutch done too 👍 A great entry level and you can upgrade to a 400+ in a few years when you've saved more. As you say Barry, a no brainer 🤔 I hear you but there's too much I'd want to do to it tbh and I'd much rather spend everything I've got to get the right car vs spending less on something that is a really good price but not what I'm after.. I sold my last Cayman because in the end I felt it just needed a better power to weight and I'd gone as far as I could with it short of a Hartech big engine and my Caterham was bloody rapid so I think I'd want an S as a minimum.. I enjoy tinkering and researching/adding the best upgrades but after 10 years of hillclimbing and Sprinting a single seater as well, ( an arms race! ), I'm a little weary of the diminishing returns and figure buying something that looks/goes/sounds the way I want from factory as the best bet.. I know it's easy to get used to a car and then start craving something else but I genuinely think I could be really satisfied with a stock 400 as it looks like a sweet spot in terms of power to weight/useability/noise/handling etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Barrykearley Posted February 2 Gold FFM Report Share Posted February 2 I’d recommend driving NA, S and 400 before making any power to weight decisions. I chased power massively in my esprit journey - and by far and away the most balanced of them all was my very first one. My S4s is a complete animal of a car. The Evora isn’t just about bhp. That said - I defo want a 400 at some point 🤣 1 Quote Only here once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmundo2 Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 4 minutes ago, Barrykearley said: I’d recommend driving NA, S and 400 before making any power to weight decisions. I chased power massively in my esprit journey - and by far and away the most balanced of them all was my very first one. My S4s is a complete animal of a car. The Evora isn’t just about bhp. That said - I defo want a 400 at some point 🤣 Yep I appreciate that and there's plenty of other stuff out there that's faster for the money but I think the 400 strikes the right balance for me, ( I've been out in both NA and S )..Not driven a 400 but the looks and noise alone are a big plus so the better gear shift, extra grunt only add to the appeal.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r3nault Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 I agree with @Rambo. That car is a bargain for what it is (and forged wheels, jealous!). Add a sports exhaust, BOE intake and could even go for full BOE stage 2, power to weight would be very similar to 400. If you are a tinkerer, you’ll want to modify it eventually anyway, may as well start from a cheaper base Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13923781 I don't consider this a bargain. It is due a service in 3 months and the mileage is reasonably high. The stickers don't help. In the present market, I'd say it's worth £25k to £26k. The work done including radiator is great but it doesn't in reality increase the value of the car. A pal had a near mint LE with 27000 miles. Very little interest, he got £27500 eventually. The orange LE failed to sell on Collecting Cars and found a buyer at around £25k iirc. I agree that early Evora are undervalued but that is different to a specific car being 'a bargain'. Justin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Ashcroft Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 Hey everyone, I'm looking at listing my 09 Evora later this month once the handbrake cables are replaced and was checking in on the market for LE's. I felt a private sale was looking like 27k-28k ish for a 60k miler +2 with all the packs 2bular exhaust, sport racer vinyl wrap, later gear knob and full history. Saw this one and thought perhaps I'm too low, had a search to see if I could see if it had been discussed on here to find out how long it's been listed. If the cat N sold quickly, my hope is that the market has warmed up a little with the Emira delays and the fact there are not many early cars for sale at the moment. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301022897408?atmobcid=soc3 My gut instinct would be 33k for a higher mileage S and therefore £5-6k for a NA. Appreciate your thoughts. Obviously only worth what someone is willing to pay and I live in Cardiff which means there's less punters for sports cars than say M25 catchment area. I know I'll regret it but deliberated last year and decided I couldn't part with it. Since then my Elite rebuild (no not the desirable 60's one) has overrun and I'm leaning into a more classic car and can't afford both. 28 minutes ago, jep said: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13923781 I don't consider this a bargain. It is due a service in 3 months and the mileage is reasonably high. The stickers don't help. In the present market, I'd say it's worth £25k to £26k. The work done including radiator is great but it doesn't in reality increase the value of the car. A pal had a near mint LE with 27000 miles. Very little interest, he got £27500 eventually. The orange LE failed to sell on Collecting Cars and found a buyer at around £25k iirc. I agree that early Evora are undervalued but that is different to a specific car being 'a bargain'. Justin Hah, this wasn't posted when I started writing 😂😂😂. That's interesting to know that that car is still hanging around. I'm on the original clutch with no issues but I know that'll be the classic feedback from people. This is exactly the info I came here looking for. Should have waited 20 minutes 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r3nault Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 @jep fair enough, though the forged wheels were a very expensive option. On todays exchange rate, it is $49k. The only manual Evora listed on our market currently (a white LE) is asking $89k with similar mileage and stock wheels (albeit plus 430 front bumper), so you can see how it looks cheap from over here… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 It only takes one buyer and you may get lucky. You can always lower the price, you can't in reality put it up. I do think early Evora are undervalued, I own one, so I'm only pointing out what I see as reality in the market today. @r3nault the wheels makes little to no difference to value in UK on early Evora. The LE with 27000 miles had forged wheels. Steak and chips look cheap in Cape Town SA but that's no use to me in Surrey. 🙂 Justin 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM TdM Posted February 3 Gold FFM Report Share Posted February 3 If you can hang on a couple of months Jonathan, you'll probably get a better number and quicker sale as we head into spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzybondov Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jonathan Ashcroft said: Hey everyone, I'm looking at listing my 09 Evora later this month once the handbrake cables are replaced and was checking in on the market for LE's. I felt a private sale was looking like 27k-28k ish for a 60k miler +2 with all the packs 2bular exhaust, sport racer vinyl wrap, later gear knob and full history. Saw this one and thought perhaps I'm too low, had a search to see if I could see if it had been discussed on here to find out how long it's been listed. If the cat N sold quickly, my hope is that the market has warmed up a little with the Emira delays and the fact there are not many early cars for sale at the moment. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301022897408?atmobcid=soc3 My gut instinct would be 33k for a higher mileage S and therefore £5-6k for a NA. Appreciate your thoughts. Obviously only worth what someone is willing to pay and I live in Cardiff which means there's less punters for sports cars than say M25 catchment area. I know I'll regret it but deliberated last year and decided I couldn't part with it. Since then my Elite rebuild (no not the desirable 60's one) has overrun and I'm leaning into a more classic car and can't afford both. Hah, this wasn't posted when I started writing 😂😂😂. That's interesting to know that that car is still hanging around. I'm on the original clutch with no issues but I know that'll be the classic feedback from people. This is exactly the info I came here looking for. Should have waited 20 minutes 😂 I would list at £28k and see what traction you get. Your mods don’t add value per se, but for someone who wants a bit more of the right kind of noise and the right ‘look’ they will make your car rarer and more desirable in the marketplace. Pics? 😀 Edited February 3 by jerzybondov 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Ashcroft Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 Cheers for the replies. No rush at all, just felt that perhaps Emira delays and therfore harder Evora values at the top end was strengthening the lower end too and I might regret not listing now. I wouldn't be able to own an early evora without the exhaust being done and mine is valved so you can go incognito but understand you don't get your money back. I know if I'd test driven mine and one with Lowe mileage and no exhaust it would be no contest. Spring is the typical time, but with the Lotus Market being affected by the new model I wondered if it was better to list now. Pictures for reference. Dash isn't perfect but by no means in the territory of some. You can always pick holes in the Evora unless someone has gone through it like the one document here a couple of years ago and basically made it better than factory. Genuinely one of the most reliable cars I've owned and easily the best driving. Obviously market was probably stronger last year but I don't regret the drives I had last year instead of selling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 I'd list it now. If no luck, remove and relist in April. I sold an Exige V6 in December 2021, hardly peak Exige season. Justin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzybondov Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 52 minutes ago, Jonathan Ashcroft said: Cheers for the replies. No rush at all, just felt that perhaps Emira delays and therfore harder Evora values at the top end was strengthening the lower end too and I might regret not listing now. I wouldn't be able to own an early evora without the exhaust being done and mine is valved so you can go incognito but understand you don't get your money back. I know if I'd test driven mine and one with Lowe mileage and no exhaust it would be no contest. Spring is the typical time, but with the Lotus Market being affected by the new model I wondered if it was better to list now. Pictures for reference. Dash isn't perfect but by no means in the territory of some. You can always pick holes in the Evora unless someone has gone through it like the one document here a couple of years ago and basically made it better than factory. Genuinely one of the most reliable cars I've owned and easily the best driving. Obviously market was probably stronger last year but I don't regret the drives I had last year instead of selling. Lovely car and great spec. If it had been on the market when I'd been looking for mine I'd have been all over it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvoraBob Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 6 hours ago, Jonathan Ashcroft said: Cheers for the replies. No rush at all, just felt that perhaps Emira delays and therfore harder Evora values at the top end was strengthening the lower end too and I might regret not listing now. I wouldn't be able to own an early evora without the exhaust being done and mine is valved so you can go incognito but understand you don't get your money back. I know if I'd test driven mine and one with Lowe mileage and no exhaust it would be no contest. Spring is the typical time, but with the Lotus Market being affected by the new model I wondered if it was better to list now. Pictures for reference. Dash isn't perfect but by no means in the territory of some. You can always pick holes in the Evora unless someone has gone through it like the one document here a couple of years ago and basically made it better than factory. Genuinely one of the most reliable cars I've owned and easily the best driving. Obviously market was probably stronger last year but I don't regret the drives I had last year instead of selling. Is that Quartz silver ? . if so there was only 4 Evora's in that colour and 3 had oyster inertia and 1 in charcoal dark grey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Ashcroft Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 It's storm titanium but they are quite similar unless parked next to each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyvora Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 19 hours ago, Edmundo2 said: Yep I appreciate that and there's plenty of other stuff out there that's faster for the money but I think the 400 strikes the right balance for me, ( I've been out in both NA and S )..Not driven a 400 but the looks and noise alone are a big plus so the better gear shift, extra grunt only add to the appeal.. I spent a good bit of time looking for the right Evora. N/A, then an S then I convinced myself I wanted a late Sports Racer. However, the 400 swung it for me in the end and I don't regret it. It's a superb car. I don't think there are any bad Evoras, but the 400's looks, comfort/practicality (wife likes it!), noise and handling are all I need in a car. 400 horses are very often too much for UK roads, but it's great to have them in reserve for those times they can be let loose. 1 Quote Sparks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Ashcroft Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 Agree, I prefer the simple lines of the rear of the pre 400's but think the front and the ingress egress is much improved along with the std noise and gear shift/interior fittings etc. Think the 400 and na are quite different due to power differences so they're effectively in a different class of performance, could easily own both I expect if you had the budget. I'll get back in one later I'm sure. Just need to get this mouldy elite back to full GT spec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM C8RKH Posted February 3 Gold FFM Report Share Posted February 3 On 01/02/2023 at 21:42, Cdm2018 said: Ed you find yourself in a situation where you dammed if sit and wait and dammed if you stick your neck out to buy now ? I guess you really need to consider what your financial position is now and in future will interest rates rise or borrowing conditions get harder I wonder if 400 represents a long term better buy ? I wonder if any Emira swaps have near peaked and number of Evoras appearing on market is dwindles down to lower 10’s ? I would consider that you better to maximise your financial outlay and get best car you can find maybe sacrificing colour choices or interior finishes due to limited choices ! I was on the Lotus US forum recently, and general consensus over there is that not many Evora owners are so far being tempted out of their current cars for an Emira. Seen quite a few comments over here on Facebook as well similar. I don't think there is going to be a max exodus from Evora and anyway even then the numbers are very low anyway. Emira is a fab car, but as owners know, so is the Evora. 1 Quote I came into this world screaming and covered in someone elses blood. I'll probably leave it in the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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