LotusLeftLotusRight 1,233 Posted August 20, 2020 Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 That looks lovely. Sports Racer specification with GTE style wing. Very low kms. Not the cheapest, but that’s for you to decide and negotiate. You won’t go wrong with that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM jep 853 Posted August 20, 2020 Gold FFM Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 IPS not easy to find in 276bhp Evora. You best drive one as I found IPS box a bit slow. 400 IPS much quicker gear change. Comfort wise and driver aids, not much has changed since 2009. 410 suspension firmer but you are not looking at those. Justin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM Popular Post Colin P 644 Posted August 20, 2020 Gold FFM Popular Post Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 5 hours ago, jep said: You best drive one as I found IPS box a bit slow. 400 IPS much quicker gear change. This sums it up for me. My N/A was manual. Test drove an S IPS, no thanks, test drove 400 Auto and now drive a 400 auto. Night and day over the Series 1 IPS cars IMHO. 5 Quote A Lotus is for driving, pork is for breakfast. Link to post Share on other sites
Goatboy 52 Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 I just did a car limits day in my IPS Evora S and it was phenomenal! The IPS was faultless and shifted quickly and efficiently. Not once did I think it shifted slowly or did I miss having a manual. It was super quick and I kept up with an exige 410 and actually quicker at times. The ratios are different which could of helped in this scenario but really it was great. I'm sure the 400 shift is even better but don't discount S1 cars. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blueg33 129 Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 Totally agree. Really enjoyed my S IPS. Much preferred it to my previous manual n/a. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM jep 853 Posted August 22, 2020 Gold FFM Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 The last 4 posts are why you must drive an IPS before buying, ideally in a variety of traffic conditions. IPS splits opinion, make sure you like it. Justin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregs24 148 Posted August 22, 2020 Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 Lots of posts about the IPS and slow shifts but the reality is that the shifts themselves are perfectly fast enough it is the time between requesting a shift and getting it is the critical bit. Once you are used to it - as with any car - you drive the car in the way that makes it work for you. Manual shifts are not any quicker - in fact the shift itself is much slower. It works because you think and move your hand to the lever in anticipation. The IPS box can't anticipate anything. PDK / DSG / Powershift react to the paddles quicker which is useful for overtaking but for a pre-planned overtake you should be in the right gear before you start not fiddling about changing gear. My old car is up for sale again at Silverstone. I sold it 18 months ago. https://www.lotussilverstone.co.uk/vehicle-details/Lotus-Evora-U284/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TdM 168 Posted August 22, 2020 Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 I haven't driven an IPS but I have and have had a number of both automatics and automated manual cars. Autos are great around town, on long trips, on fast drives... Pretty much everywhere really and a lot of fun to bang through the gears, even old automated manuals are fine once you learn to drive around their quirks. I still miss a manual though. It's a very personal decision. If I was doing big miles or driving mainly around town, I think an IPS is actually probably a better solution than a manual overall on merit. But I still went for a manual because an auto was a deal breaker! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bravo73 1,296 Posted August 22, 2020 Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 2 hours ago, gregs24 said: My old car is up for sale again at Silverstone. I sold it 18 months ago. https://www.lotussilverstone.co.uk/vehicle-details/Lotus-Evora-U284/ Paging @Roblocke. (You could always wrap it white). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pacederon 16 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) I posted a few days back that I am interested in an Evora, under a topic ‘the definitive buyers guide’ and had a useful reply on what to go for, and now the thread has vanished! I will start again, but this time a more definitive question. I have found 2016 Evora 350 2+2 with an IPS box and 37000kms on the clock, black leather with red piping. Looks good and drives well. Apparantly I have an option to buy up to 4 years warranty (but not read the exclusions yet!) I know the 350 is not as quick as say, a 2017 model, but frankly, the French Govt have killed anything to do with spirited driving, so a second extra on the 0-100 is maybe a good thing here! does anyone have any plus or minus points on the 350 please? Thanks Hal Edited August 23, 2020 by Pacederon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bravo73 1,296 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 Hello. Your post is in the ‘Evora Market Watch’ thread: Which is where this post is going to end up soon as well... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
r3nault 14 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 What is an Evora 350? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregs24 148 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 2 hours ago, r3nault said: What is an Evora 350? He means an Evora S (pre 400 facelift) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregs24 148 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 13 hours ago, Pacederon said: I posted a few days back that I am interested in an Evora, under a topic ‘the definitive buyers guide’ and had a useful reply on what to go for, and now the thread has vanished! I will start again, but this time a more definitive question. I have found 2016 Evora 350 2+2 with an IPS box and 37000kms on the clock, black leather with red piping. Looks good and drives well. Apparantly I have an option to buy up to 4 years warranty (but not read the exclusions yet!) I know the 350 is not as quick as say, a 2017 model, but frankly, the French Govt have killed anything to do with spirited driving, so a second extra on the 0-100 is maybe a good thing here! does anyone have any plus or minus points on the 350 please? Thanks Hal You will not notice the difference on the road between an Evora S and Evora 400 - both are plenty quick enough. Comes down to personal taste as to whether you prefer the look of the S1 cars or the Evora 400 onwards cars. Evora S would ride those knobbly French B roads better than the Evora 400. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM C8RKH 6,250 Posted August 23, 2020 Gold FFM Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 2 hours ago, gregs24 said: Evora S would ride those knobbly French B roads better than the Evora 400 And the Evora NA would be even better and sweeter than the S. The Evora is one of those cars where more power doesn't necessarily mean more.... 1 1 Quote Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate. Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies! The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts! Link to post Share on other sites
Gazm 30 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 I think the S has a lot more drama than the N/A, it accelerates much better. After a day on track in an S, I actually thought the handbrake was still on when I floored my N/A going home. I noticed a big difference on Alps road trips too, my S doesn’t lose its pull like my old N/A did. I think the S Sport Racer is the sweet spot for the S1. If I change it, it would only be for a GT model. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tim_marra 472 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 Try bolting a TVS1900 to the S. Its mega Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM C8RKH 6,250 Posted August 23, 2020 Gold FFM Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 On the track, yes @Gazm the extra power of the S will be apparent. However, when I had my NA, with 2bular headers and decat she was not dropped on many IoM trips on very fast roads by either V6 Exiges or Evora 400's. You can through headers and decat pipe/sport cat get the NA to around 295bhp easily and the power to weight is then very close to an S. Without the weight, relatively high up of the supercharger, the NA is just sweetness itself. I went from that NA to an Evora 410 and actually, I preferred my NA on "normal roads", to me it is the sweetest thing to drive on the road. You get it above 4k revs, keep it there and the NA really talks to you. It's sublime in my very humble opinion. I think it should be noteworthy that someone who went from the NA to a 410 still holds the NA in such high esteem. It certainly never felt underpowered to me. Yes, you had to wring its neck but boy did it respond. Quote Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate. Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies! The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts! Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post DaveC72 778 Posted August 24, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 24, 2020 20 hours ago, gregs24 said: You will not notice the difference on the road between an Evora S and Evora 400 - both are plenty quick enough. Um. Sorry, having owned both - yes you will. Agree it's down to personal taste, but here's my my oversimplified 10 cents: 400 definitely quicker. Honestly. I did significant mileage in my S and the difference in the 400 was noticeable straight away, even for someone with my limited driving abilities. 400 has a firmer ride (something about reducing the bump-steer in the S1), but still not as harsh as a "sports" car from any German brand - so not as comfortable for long journeys as the S1, but more comfortable than say, a 3 series with M suspension. 400 has much more aggressive turn in, and more responsive to steering inputs (also from the bump-steer changes, as I understand it). S1 Cabin feels more luxurious, but the HVAC is significantly better in the 400 and the buttons are better positioned. S1 Seats are an order of magnitude more comfortable, but heavier. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM jep 853 Posted August 24, 2020 Gold FFM Report Share Posted August 24, 2020 Revealing insight, good post. I look forward, hopefully, to experiencing the same contrasts over the next few years. Justin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beady 80 Posted August 24, 2020 Report Share Posted August 24, 2020 3 hours ago, DaveC72 said: Um. Sorry, having owned both - yes you will. Agree it's down to personal taste, but here's my my oversimplified 10 cents: 400 definitely quicker. Honestly. I did significant mileage in my S and the difference in the 400 was noticeable straight away, even for someone with my limited driving abilities. 400 has a firmer ride (something about reducing the bump-steer in the S1), but still not as harsh as a "sports" car from any German brand - so not as comfortable for long journeys as the S1, but more comfortable than say, a 3 series with M suspension. 400 has much more aggressive turn in, and more responsive to steering inputs (also from the bump-steer changes, as I understand it). S1 Cabin feels more luxurious, but the HVAC is significantly better in the 400 and the buttons are better positioned. S1 Seats are an order of magnitude more comfortable, but heavier. having had a launch edition manual 276hp, an S IPS 350hp and now a 400 manual i agree 100% on all the above. 400 a noticeable step up on speed but a firmer ride... Quote construction and property consultants : My company Link to post Share on other sites
gregs24 148 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 On 24/08/2020 at 11:52, DaveC72 said: Um. Sorry, having owned both - yes you will. My point was 'on the road' where a few tenths here or there or a fraction of a second longer at full throttle is pretty irrelevant. Clearly the 400 is technically faster, but as others have pointed out even an N/A on the road is plenty quick enough. S v 400 - you are not going to be disappointed by either performance wise. Another topic altogether, but some of the 600bhp plus cars on the road now are totally pointless unless you use them on a track. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Pacederon 16 Posted August 26, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 It looks pretty well that by the end of the day, I will own this: https://www.ewigo.com/vehicules/42380 They have given me a reasonable trade-in on the RS3 and reduced the overall price so that I should be able to buy an outrageous GT4 wing, and have some left over with the change The PO did not spend as much time cleaning the calipers as he did the rest of the car, so I think it is a wheel off and a couple of cans of cleaner is the first job! As my region in France is one of the few with an 80kph blanket limit, I really think the 350 motor will still be enough to get me into trouble, and to be truthful, I actually prefer the clean lines of the front against the scoops of the 400 - maybe my age setting in! On the subject of clean calipers - does anyone have any comments on EBC Redstuff pads for road use? I have always used them with success for everyday motoring and hope this might continue on the Evora. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bibs 11,144 Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 Congrats Hal! The car is already over-braked, you'll be just fine with the standard pads mate, even on track and I've had no issues with brake dust to be fair Quote 88 Esprit NA, 89 Esprit Turbo SE, Evora, Evora S, Evora IPS, Evora S IPS, Evora S IPS SR, Evora 400, Elise S1, Elise S1 111s, Evora GT410 Sport Evora NA For forum issues, please contact the Moderators. I will aim to respond to emails/PM's Mon-Fri 9-6 GMT. Link to post Share on other sites
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