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Afternoon all, just wondering if there is a recommended definitive buyers guide for the G car Esprit (my interest is in the S3). Google and searching on the forum produce lots of articles / guides over the years however just wondering if there is a recent guide / checklist to assist as I am keeping my eyes peeled for a suitable series 3 NA or Turbo version.

Also in the Yorkshire area, are there any recommendations for an independent garage / specialist on these cars. I would like to do some maintenance myself but would always like to identify somewhere for support on any jobs I didn't have the capacity to tackle myself ! 

Cheers.

Dave.

 

 

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Thanks Steve, I'm based in North Leeds but prepared to travel within reason, Huddersfield is not far away so would be a good option.

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Hi Dave,

I guess it will depend on what you want/your budget.

For example, if you want a car to restore, you may not be too concerned about some rust of the suspension components, fuel tanks etc

But if you want something mint, the list to check will be different.

Also, with regards to the S3, you could have early or late, each with their own peculiarities.

If you are doing work yourself and its your first go at this, you may wish to avoid the added complexity of the (more desirable) Turbo.

Si

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Thanks Si, I'm basically looking towards a running, MOT'd and driving car in overall good condition, requiring some improvement and the usual maintenance rather than a project requiring restoration. I'd like to acquire a car I can drive and enjoy primarily.

Im open minded on NA / Turbo although I do love the overall look and appeal of the Turbo cars. Ideally I'd like to acquire a car from a fellow enthusiast where I can learn first hand about the history and ownership rather than go through a dealer.

ive narrowed down to an S3 but will keep open minded re the year. In terms of budget I am looking at 15-20k with some flexibility for the right car.....

Not an immediate rush as I m involved in a building project currently which is taking most of my time however I am keeping an eye on the market over Autumn / Winter.

Cheers.

Dave

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You'd get a nice car for that money I think. Trouble is, people think they are worth more than they probably are,  meaning there will be some poor cars out there with that kind of price tag.

If you see one, post up on here as almost certainly someone will know the vehicle and some past history.

Good hunting!

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Hello @bigfella70 I'm not too far away, in Saltburn, but haven't really anything to add regarding your questions unfortunately.

Tuning-wise I'll be checking out Bogg Bros over near Malton when the time is right.

Good luck with your search. There are plenty of S3s and Turbos out there just keep searching all the usual places. Take your time, as they're not selling very quickly at present.

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13 hours ago, Fridge said:

Hello @bigfella70 I'm not too far away, in Saltburn, but haven't really anything to add regarding your questions unfortunately.

Tuning-wise I'll be checking out Bogg Bros over near Malton when the time is right.

Good luck with your search. There are plenty of S3s and Turbos out there just keep searching all the usual places. Take your time, as they're not selling very quickly at present.

Thanks  David, I've seen there are quite a few S3 Turbo / NA cars on the market with dealers in the South however prices seem 'ambitious' and not too much movement. I will keep scanning the market including forthcoming auctions etc. 

Nice part of the world where you are, do you know of any Lotus meets in the area at all as I'd love to have a look at Esprits and chat to owners for hints and tips etc.

Cheers.

Dave.

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@bigfella70

I believe there is a Lotus meet called the North Yorkshire Lotus Club Night which meets at The Buckle Inn, on the A64 near York on Tuesday nights on every 4th Tuesday of the month, between 7PM-10PM.  I have yet to attend that one, but may do so when my restoration is complete.

Another, but further away from you is the NE Lotus Club, which is an informal meeting of Lotus enthusiasts who meet at The Church Mouse, Chester-le-Moor, County Durham, every first Monday of the month, between 8PM-Closing. It has a number of enthusiastic and knowledgeable owners of many years and is great for anyone wanting to talk Lotus cars. They also have an annual Christmas meal held at the same venue, which is really good.

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12 hours ago, bigfella70 said:

Thanks  David, I've seen there are quite a few S3 Turbo / NA cars on the market with dealers in the South however prices seem 'ambitious' and not too much movement. I will keep scanning the market including forthcoming auctions etc. 

Nice part of the world where you are, do you know of any Lotus meets in the area at all as I'd love to have a look at Esprits and chat to owners for hints and tips etc.

Cheers.

Dave.

https://m.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C996780

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16 minutes ago, pete said:

Thanks Pete, the spec is perfect for me along with interior / exterior colour. Only snag for me is the level of work required to get the car up and running again. Anyone know of the car or been to view ? 

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That car is for sale by Nick Warren. He regularly has stuff or sale on eBay fleabagmonkeyface. He can be hard to get hold of.

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Tried to buy it last year from him. Simply impossible 

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10 minutes ago, Barrykearley said:

Tried to buy it last year from him. Simply impossible 

how so?

 

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As I understand it, the Esprit Turbo HC is a very favourable model. According to the Harry's Garage geezer anyway.

Can you can throw a whole load of wonga at classic cars, but sometimes things look worse than they actually are.

You certainly won't get a lot for £15,000 these days. Prices at the top may have stagnated, or falling, but they do not appear to falling at the bottom end.

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That car was discussed a few weeks ago by somebody who used to own it (had red and white leather) but he was put off buying it back given it hadn't been used for so long.

 

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That needs saving but I fear that alot of money will need to be emptied into that particular hole to get it back to how it should be

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25 minutes ago, GTK said:

how so?

 

Simply wouldn’t return phone calls, answer the phone or let you actually view the car.

at the time I’d have happily bought it blind - and just had it delivered - wasn’t up for that either

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16 minutes ago, Barrykearley said:

I’d have happily bought it blind - and just had it delivered - wasn’t up for that either

weird! Did your other half get to him first, put the kibosh on it.

If there's nothing glaringly bad with it I think it could be a decent buy. I did a quick bit of totting up for recommissioning parts, just the stuff to safeguard car and driver, and this is what I came up with;

  • Carburettor seals/gaskets [Kit for both carbs, from Dell'Orto, £35]
  • Timing belt [£80]
  • Oil and coolant change [fluids; £60]
  • Battery [£100]
  • Tyres [£160 front pair Michelin, £200 rear pair Pirelli]
  • Brakes [£300 discs, pads & kit]
  • Fuel hoses [£115]

£850 in parts. I think a trusted mechanic could knock fitting that list for £1200 labour or less, that's 18hrs at £67pa [Google says thats the average UK mechanic's hourly]. Maybe I'm off with 18hrs but if you went straight for pulling the engine then things like the brake discs and fluids and fuel hoses are all easy on refit.

 Anyway the finer points could then be tackled while the car was being enjoyed.

 

 

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I’m sure he’s a hoarder who doesnt like selling and only lists to appease his missus. 

Who knows - my experience isn’t unique - I know a few others who have tried and failed to purchase cars from him

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Interesting! It does seem a real shame to have left the car just standing since the last MOT in 2013 outside and open to the elements. 

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This struck me as strange

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I purchased the car in August 2012 and used the car until the last MOT expired which was on April 18th 2013. It has not run since

No failed MOT on the gov website, so why would you just use it and then park it up when the MOT expires.

 

It is a unique Esprit though - has two windscreen wipers according to the MOT history :sofa:

  • Nearside Windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively (8.2.2)
  • Offside Windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively (8.2.2)
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Agree with that Chris, very strange! I suspect that may have been nothing wrong with the car at the time of MOT expiry, just that the owner had other car/s that he then focussed attention on and the Esprit was just left sat there.

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It was missing a glass sunroof last time im sure

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