drkenbob Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) The car starts and runs for about 5 seconds and then acts like it has ran out of gas I have replaced the gas filter and that did not help. The car has 48000 miles on it and was rebuilt at 20000 and has been running good till this started a few days ago. I am thinking fuel pumps but you can hear them and like I said it starts right up and then dies with in a few seconds. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. DrKenBob Edited October 29, 2018 by drkenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM cweeden Posted October 29, 2018 Gold FFM Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 That sounds like your primary fuel pump is not working. The secondary will spin up for just a few seconds which will allow the car to start but if the primary isn't working you will quickly run out of fuel in the rails. If you can get a fuel pressure gauge onto the schrader valve on the fuel rail you will be able to see that happening. cheers -Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkenbob Posted October 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 Thanks Chris thats kind of what I was thinking my Buddy talked me into ordering a crankshaft sensor and its suppose to be here in the morning so I thought I would give it a try and if that does not work pull the fuel pumps. Thanks again. DrKenBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_sekinger Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 If your engine is starting, then both crank and cam sensors are going to be good. Problems with either of those will result in a non-start. Quote 1996 Esprit V8, 1998 Esprit V8 GT, 1999 Esprit S350 #002 (Esprit GT1 replica project), 1996 Esprit V8 GT1 (chassis 114-001), 1992 Lotus Omega (927E), 1999 Esprit V8SE, 1999 Esprit S350 #032, 1995 Esprit S4s, 1999 Esprit V8 GT (ex-5th Gear project), 1999 Esprit V8SE ('02 rear) 1999 S350 #002 Esprit GT1 replica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkenbob Posted October 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 Thanks Mike it does start runs for about 3 to 5 seconds and its just like you have turned the fuel off let it set for a few seconds and it will start right up and die again. Thanks. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Steve V8 Posted October 29, 2018 Gold FFM Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 Hi Ken, I've recently had exactly the same symptoms on a Rover 800, that turned out to be a faulty immobiliser shutting down the fuel pump after start up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espritv8black Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 Dr. Bob, it isn't the crank sensor. The Schrader valve is easy to get to on the back passenger side fuel rail. Get any inexpensive fuel pressure tester and hook it up. Should be minimum 43lbs for the injectors to function correctly, but the actual system pressure will be about 50 - 53 ish. If you had help Turn on the car, but dont start and check the pressure. Next start car and once it dies, while fuel pressure guage is connected look at reading, probably will be 0 or low. The rail should really always be under pressure unless the car has sat for a long period of time. I also, believe it is the primary fuel pump, but before that hassle I would also replace the fuel pump relays. Much easier than the fuel pump. Thanks Mark Seifert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garibaldi2112 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 Well this is amazing timing.... My car has just started doing exactly as described above. Dying 5-10 seconds after startup..... With the OBD2 connected I get the Secondary Fuel pump Relay on but the Primary pump Relay is on for about 5 seconds and then switches off.... the car then dies a few seconds after that... All fuses checked and Relays swapped about but no difference.... Does this mean the fuel pump is dead or the ECU does not want to switch it on..??? I also get Coolant Re-circulation Relay open circuit (Error P1470) + Errors P0444 and P0154 which I don't think are related but I would be interested to know about them.... Just as an after thought I Don't have a schrader valve for fuel pressure testing but much larger valve similar to a schrader but one i have not seen before.... Cheers Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM cweeden Posted November 3, 2018 Gold FFM Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 After eliminating the relays I would suspect the fuel pump, not really sure how else to test it without whipping them both out of the tank and testing on the bench. I'm going to put a beer on the fact that you do have a shrader valve on the fuel rail at the rear of the engine like the one in the picture below. This one still shows a rubber bung that needs to be removed once the dust cover has been taken off, you can buy a pressure tester quite cheaply from Amazon or similar. I had to make up a special tool (bleow) to loosen the pump assembly retaining ring, I don't know if there is a proper tool you can buy instead to do this but I think I would have struggled to 'tap' the ring with a small hammer and drift due to the lack of clearance. It's not very pretty but it did allow me to get a socket with a long extension onto it. 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM cweeden Posted November 3, 2018 Gold FFM Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 This is what the fuel pump assembly looks like. You can get replacement pumps from SJ Sportscars and I would recommend you plan on replacing the 'in-tank' fuel hose too as it will almost certainly have perished. You need to make sure it is intended for use within a tank and able to withstand petrol on its outside surface as well as internally. cheers -Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_sekinger Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 4 hours ago, cweeden said: ... I don't know if there is a proper tool you can buy instead to do this but I think I would have struggled to 'tap' the ring with a small hammer and drift due to the lack of clearance. It's not very pretty but it did allow me to get a socket with a long extension onto it. 🙂 Good job Chris. The tool is Kent Moore J-35731 1 Quote 1996 Esprit V8, 1998 Esprit V8 GT, 1999 Esprit S350 #002 (Esprit GT1 replica project), 1996 Esprit V8 GT1 (chassis 114-001), 1992 Lotus Omega (927E), 1999 Esprit V8SE, 1999 Esprit S350 #032, 1995 Esprit S4s, 1999 Esprit V8 GT (ex-5th Gear project), 1999 Esprit V8SE ('02 rear) 1999 S350 #002 Esprit GT1 replica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramjet Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 16 hours ago, cweeden said: After eliminating the relays I would suspect the fuel pump, not really sure how else to test it without whipping them both out of the tank and testing on the bench. I'm going to put a beer on the fact that you do have a shrader valve on the fuel rail at the rear of the engine like the one in the picture below. This one still shows a rubber bung that needs to be removed once the dust cover has been taken off, you can buy a pressure tester quite cheaply from Amazon or similar. I had to make up a special tool (bleow) to loosen the pump assembly retaining ring, I don't know if there is a proper tool you can buy instead to do this but I think I would have struggled to 'tap' the ring with a small hammer and drift due to the lack of clearance. It's not very pretty but it did allow me to get a socket with a long extension onto it. 🙂 Nice job. I once made a tool to get those quickfit fuel line things open so I could remove the fuel line on the son's Holden. It was a piece of plastic pipe about 35mm long and then I cut it longitudinally. Spread it open to get it on the pipe, pushed it into the coupling, bingo! fuel line released. Cost? 0, time taken to make about 2 minutes. Time taken to think up a solution? about 15 minutes. Always good when you can save money and make up your own solution. Quote All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit. Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others. For forum issues, please contact one of us Moderators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkenbob Posted November 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 Well I finally got the fuel pumps changed out and now the Lotus starts and idles good but when you push the accelerator to give it some gas it dies. I have now changed the fuel pumps, fuel filter and the relays. I appreciate all of your feedback anymore ideas of what the problem might be. Thanks. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM cweeden Posted November 16, 2018 Gold FFM Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 I wonder if you have a problem with the pressure regulator (first check the vacuum hose is fitted correctly)? I recommend you buy a cheap fuel pressure tester from Amazon or wherever and make sure you have good fuel pressure to begin with. cheers -Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altitude7200 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 Any update on what this was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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