is vegan now a race or gender

[ramjet]

9 hours ago, march said:

There is more to it than that - if the bees are used to pollinate the fruit by moving hives to the orchards, fields, etc.. this is considered unnatural and a no no - the fruit, veg etc.. produced should not be consumed if the person is a proper Vegan. The process of moving hives is very common both here and abroad (although the USA has taken it to a completely different level). As much as I may poke a stick at Vegans they may have a bit of a point in this area as hives have been known to suffer from Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) which may be aggravated by this activity.

I can just see it now.

Bees flying along 'buzzing' to each other,

"The humans aren't eating the fruit we are pollinating. That'll learn the farmers!"

And how would the Vegans know? I can't imagine asking the 17 year old shop attendant whether he/she is aware if the produce has been propagated by 'enslaved' or 'free' bees would garner any useful information?

[Kimbers]

And do the bees really give a shit if they are doing what they do? I mean, do they really wake up in the morning and say "Fuck me! Someones stolen our bloody larder again! Oh well best we go get some more!" It would be interesting to get the input from someone like @Dan Basterfield who is a bee keeper. Part of the Vegan argument is that if you take their honey they die, which I can't see happening with a professional beekeeper! Surely they leave enough to feed the hive and take the excess!

[march]

1 hour ago, Kimbers said:

Part of the Vegan argument is that if you take their honey they die, which I can't see happening with a professional beekeeper!

Back in the day when we as a family kept bees we took what we could leaving enough for the winter (a strong hive will produce 2 to 3 times the amount of honey it requires), However should they need more (hard winter  etc..) they were given a supply of sugar syrup in the Autumn to keep them going so they would never starve. So the above Vegan argument is not true, we never lost hives through starvation. That is not to say we did not lose hives sometimes, if I remember correctly the damp and cold was more of a killer.

 

1 hour ago, Kimbers said:

And do the bees really give a shit if they are doing what they do? I mean, do they really wake up in the morning and say "Fuck me! Someones stolen our bloody larder again!

Yes - They can get pretty pissed when you take it. We also had to seal the house when extracting the honey - if a bee discovered where the honey was he could go back to the hive, tell her mates and then come back mob handed. Never under estimate a Bee!🐝

[slewthy]

Its interesting hearing others views on these things.

Its great to have a vegan diet. Knock yourselves out. Doesnt make sense to be called a Vegan though. Why would people want to be defined by such a niche part of life/belief? I'd also hate to be defined by a set of letters, be that 4, 5 or wherever we are at now.

But its totally right for people to be who they want to be, believe what they way to believe and follow who they want to follow. That, after all is what we have been commemorating recently, particularly last Sunday. It is those who have fought and won or fought and lost their lives who have enabled us to enjoy that right.

I dont even particularly mind people shouting about who they think they are - political, religious, gender, food-likes etc etc. Although it can get a bit wearing after a bit.

What is clearly wrong is to affect other people in an adverse manner. Define 'adverse' how you wish of course. 

People through the ages have loved to embellish/adorn themselves - tribal inks, jewellery, piercings, scars. Is it any different now? Tattoos, beards, piercings, food likes/dislikes are the adornments that we use to make a point or make ourselves more interesting (I have a beard BTW so I include myself), embellish our personality if you like. I think the current 'trend' to be either offended or different is in line with this. I am deliberately different in much of what I do. I have a Lotus after all! (Doesn't make me a ... Lotan /Logan though)

You know what they said - Haters will hate.

Well, I think its now - People who will be offended will be offended. Some are entirely happy with that state of affairs, dont be fooled by their apparent state of offence!

 

(No Bees were offended in the writing of this post)

 

[C8RKH]

19 hours ago, march said:

an exercise in putting them out their misery before they starve to death.

Almost every Vegan I have ever met has been rude, self obsessed and miserable!

Now, i am not saying that as a result of the ones I have met, THEY ARE ALL, that way, but it is an interesting observation.

Also their diet is not necessarily good, or should I say better, that our traditional one for the environment and ecosystem of the planet. Not that they will let that little thing, facts, spoil their beliefs.  Extract from "how low can we go" and independent research piece for the WWF:

Some substitute crops required are currently only grown overseas (e.g. soy, chickpea, lentils). The land required for all these crops to replace beef and lamb is about 1,352 kilohectares (kha), compared with about 135 kha to supply concentrates for ruminant meat now. So, the substitution of beef and sheep meat with Quorn, tofu and pulses clearly demands more overseas land.....

[C8RKH]

2 hours ago, slewthy said:

But its totally right for people to be who they want to be, believe what they way to believe and follow who they want to follow

Charles Manson thought that way too!  

[slewthy]

2 hours ago, slewthy said:

What is clearly wrong is to affect other people

I think its fair to say that Charles Manson affected others adversely.

[C8RKH]

So he has even more in common with Vegans than we thought!  Hmmm. I see.  :0

I just had a steak sandwich for lunch and I think my journey to Veganism has started, i mean, it even had green stuff in the sandwich.  It's ironic to think that I was eating my foods food at the same time as eating my food!  Whoah, that's amazing...

[slewthy]

Well indeed.

In my opinion, anything other than omnivorism is anti-evolutionary. Are those words?

I dont think evolution has given non-omnivores an advantage. The danger is of course is that over representation of any niche group could give an unfair advantage. 

[Sparky]

Vegans are aliens inhabiting a small planet orbiting the primary star of the constellation Lyra.  That is all.

[Advantage]

Why did the vegan cross the road?

 

 

 

To tell someone he was a vegan. 

[slewthy]

Nobody look at us. Nothing to see here.....

[Steve V8]

Has anyone noticed that most Vegans seem to be women? And sorry but it has to be said..most vegan women seem to be lesbians, and most vegan lesbians seem to be stressed and unable to get a grip on why others don't want to be stressed vegan lesbians.

I believe happiness could prevail...stop munching on the garden and enjoy a portion of meat.

And when can I start eating seagulls???

[Chillidoggy]

My cousin’s a vegan and he’s a monumental bell-end.

[ramjet]

7 hours ago, Steve V8 said:

And when can I start eating seagulls???

Mmmm. Seabird flavour as well.

Wolf Nipple Chips! Get 'em while they're hot!

[DaveC72]

I once basted a veggie burger with the meat juices of the other BBQ'd goods after a particularly rampant Vegan got on my tits.

They spent the next hour telling everyone how amazing my Vegan Burgers were.

[ramjet]

Now complete the triple by telling them what you did and then watching the angst and self-hatred.  

[red vtec]

3 hours ago, Chillidoggy said:

My cousin’s a vegan and he’s a monumental bell-end.

That made me laugh

[Kimbers]

Is it just me or do most vegans seem very unhappy with life? Many of the Vegans I know are depressed, or constantly whinging and whining about everything from other people having things they don't (like money) or their health being so poor and having "No energy to work" which is always blamed on some such condition as they make up at the time.

Then they moan about how Tories are the devil while bemoaning the fact evil humans keep cutting down the rain forest and killing monkeys whilst blaming meat production instead of the real reason which is to feed their requirement for palm oil based products, Advocado's or Soya. They then live in a house (Which the moaned wasn't affordable) which sits on the land that their food was grown on, because its cheaper to build on green belt than clearing brown belt, but really don't give a shit about that as long as "they are alright". 

[Sparky]

That's not vegans, mate. Millennials, that's what you mean.

[Chillidoggy]

Says the mushroom, quinoa and alfalfa pate man.

[Sparky]

I'm offended.  I can't even drink my Guinness.  You'll be hearing from my outreach officer.

[Bibs]

If I cook quinoa I always use a non-stick pan. That way it slides much easier into the bin. 

[Kimbers]

And who decided that the pretentious bollox Quinoa should be pronounced "Keen-Waa" WTF?

That's like the Hipster Restaurant AXE 

 

 

[ramjet]

We eat quinoa instead of rice. We don't mind it compared to rice.

Does that mean I am going to start following bees now to make sure they don't fly back to a hive?