is vegan now a race or gender

[C8RKH]

31 minutes ago, Sparky said:

They hold no nutritional value.

That's why you stuff the apple in the mouth before roasting.

[ramjet]

I suppose they are lucky though. They have a whole front and back lawn of food they can eat.

[DaveC72]

This should, of course, read “an emergency “

[KennyN]

[mg4lotus]

Consuming or supplying?

[march]

Well - As it's Veganuary (supposedly)

[Barrykearley]

[Jacques]

I can add to what I wrote exactly one year ago, that I have observed the following phenomenon: that when the first lock down came in Denmark, I was chosen to be in the frontline, because I'm nearly never ever ill. But all my obese colleagues (many) was ordered to stay home and enjoy 6 weeks on their couch (eating). For free.

Then, now at the end of 2020 right before Christmas, and well into 2021, we had the next serious lock down, and everyone, or nearly, staying home, I am still healthy and ordered to go to job every day to take care of other people's children and teaching. This has now taken place for 4 weeks, and seems to be planned to last until end of February 2021. Some 10 weeks on the sofa for all the obese persons who can hardly walk and loose their breath after taking the stairs for 1, read: one, floor.

I, on the other hand, have to go to job. I don't mind going to job, because I am paid my usual salary and I believe we must all do some good where we can.

Lesson one: if you want to get seriously many free weeks of vacation, or plentiful time to work on one's Lotus, eat until you are so pumped up, that you can hardly walk or talk. Government pays it all. And we all get the same salary. That is called solidarity. You know: I pay tax and government spend it on those who refuse to take care of themselves.

Lesson two: if you take care of yourself, eating just enough and healthy vegtables or not, and excercise, taking your vitamins, bicycling every day for a few hours or so, using those running shoes that you bought on sale in a short momentary lapse of insanity, for ½ hour every day rain or sun, instead of taking the car, non-smoking, non-drinking, non-toxic, non-drug abusing etc, you will become the most envied person around, so you are ordered to work in a hostile shitty virus environment until you catch the descease, and then all your obese eating, drinking smoking colleagues will shout: Look what we told you: eat more meat, until you are like us, and you got ill because you have no "resistance".  I am serious. It's what they said.

Could someone brighter than me please explain the logic in this, please?

Stupidity rules, it seems. Maybe that's the most influencing factor above them all.

Take care.

Kind regards,

Jacques

[Barrykearley]

Welcome to socialism @Jacques thank you for your contribution to those less fortunate 👍

[Jacques]

Ha ha! Well, it's not even far from true

So please excuse me if I cannot join the talk about current or past tv-series, new movies or the like, because I was at job at the time. Sorry.

Cheers,

Jacques

[Kevin Wheeler]

What do you do, Jacques?

[Jacques]

For a job?

Jacques

[Kevin Wheeler]

Yes.

[Jacques]

After 10 years of working in Danske Bank's HQ being responsible for develoiping and implementing the first pilotproject of electronic trading with bonds, shares, futures etc. as well as teaching computer programmes, I resigned myself as I wanted to do something else being tired of making money (in no way rich at all), so after a computer education, a bank education, studying English, German and French for 3 years (all of it long gone   ), I then took an education as A paedagog (I don't think you have something similar - it's a mix of teacher, socialworker and taking care of children etc). I have sinced worked with mentally ill and people with brain damages, and for 20 years I've been teaching in a public school in Danish, Math, Arts and something called Bylab (architecture/green living/woodworking) and also in an afterschool (much different from what you have). I also educate new students in my line of work (my own education) and teach in that respect as well as being a censor - so examine others when they finalize that education).

Apart from that, I study all kinds of medicine as well as food, yoga (not the american disco version, but the old schoold indian deeply esoteric tradition), desceases, kiropractic, race bicycles, climb mountains, drive my motorcycle and sportscars, paint, draw, taking photos, swim, visiting orthodox monasteries in many far away countries, skateboarding, run, play badminton, build and enjoy HiFi, build computers for others, teaching certain software to study groups, enjoy rebuilding homes, take care of our garden (very small), wood working, studying ancient persian rugs, write a book, building rc planes and cars and much more. Now, I want to learn to take apart and service a wristwatch together with a friend who also share that interest. Could be fun to know and do. Then I can take care of my own watch.

Cheers,

Jacques

 

[C8RKH]

I'm overweight @Jacques. Haven't had a day off work for 30 years sick. Been working 60 hours a week plus all through this whilst many of my younger, fitter, leaner colleagues have been off on full pay furlough then moaning because they had to use their holidays whilst on furlough and expecting full bonus whilst we've been doing THEIR job.

There are some people in society who are programmed to just take, and some who contribute. Lots of examples of thin and fat takers and vice versa.

My point - it's as much mindset, upbringing and attitude as it is size, food intake, shape.

 

[C8RKH]

Meant to add that many of my leaner, healthier, non meat eating and generally health conscious colleagues seem to be running a league on who can be off the most with colds, flu, etc. Or through injuries they have given themselves from the various activities they get up to.  Generally, I find what "look like" healthier colleagues are the ones that have the most issues. Maybe caused by the stress of them monitoring everything and being so good.

Me? I eat what I like, when I want to, but do focus on fresh food (meat, fish, veg) as opposed to processed meals like pot noodles.

I drink what I like and when I want it (though nothing alcoholic so far in January!).

Exercise when I feel like it (or not).

Sleep when I'm tired (whatever time of day!) and don't obsess when I only get 3 hours a night (putting that down to my age these days).

Maybe as I am not obsessing about these things I am more relaxed and stress free. That, and the chance to rant on here about stuff, seems to be what keeps me healthy, off benefits and filling the governments biscuit tin with the subsidies for my "healthy, lean" colleagues who struggle to do a full year at work each year lol...  

[Kevin Wheeler]

No wonder @Jacques doesn't get a chance to watch TV!

I'm with you @C8RKH (except the overweight bit after a week of enforced dieting last March). Eat what I want (or rather what SWMBO cooks for me), when I want - drink far too much red wine and beer - drive my cars far too often and too fast. No sports injuries (difficult to get when I only play snooker!), just work too hard and sleep really well!

[Jacques]

Well, basically I agree, but it would take some very serious tests to diagnose the condition of the liver etc. to determine the level of waste toxins in the body and the effecienct of organs etc.

Anyway, I very much agree with you that there seems to bea "club" of colleagues who all compete for having the most days off, all paid and now worries. In fact most of these people have been seriously unhealthy for many years, completely avoid any and all talks about their increasingly bad health. They all very well know this, and they suffer. Then there is a group of people, who seems to think that it's okay to stay home and tell a lie about them being ill when they are not, then the bridge is up, so couldn't cross the water, then the cat is new and need special care, and what not. I'm sure you know the drill.

Every so often all these people are called in to little meating and "talk" by the local ceo, and gets told to tighten up their lifestyle etc. That usually helps two to three weeks, then it's all back to "normal". Aparently it's too expensive to sack them and get some colleagues who actually take an interest in doing their job.

Then there is the matter of young people denying to work. Moeny just seems to rain from the skies. Some do this but certainly some don't and I do mine to support the later and reverse the former.

I am well aware of different psychological aspects and mechanism's in a company amongst the workers. For example there are always a dog that shouts, one that doesn't, those who follow and those who make an example, those who kiss the behind of someone else to gain their objects and many more types. I agree and is quite well about having various types of colleagues, not all being a forward type. But I will always want people to actually do their job. That is an ongoing discussion many places.

My point in the above was the selection made by the ceo. They choose the most healthy and who also don't have small children etc. etc. I am not angry about it, but after a year with two or actually three long lock downs (just prolonged further 3 weeks today), and when they are on job, they have all sorts of explanations of why they cannot do this or that, and in reality, they are there as a sort of social club for grown ups. Not exactly what a school is for. In the long run, it gets really tiresome. Being employed by the local authorities, we get the same salary with no posibility for differentiation. For example, if there was a difference of say 40 percent, it would make some sort of sense after all, but that is never going to happen.

What I think will happen in the future is that insurance companies and medical expences paid by companies and authorities, even the retirement pension (the state paid part, not the private), will be semi user paid, depending on how the person will have chosen to live. If you live in an unhealthy way, you pay much more: hospitals, insurances etc. and if you chose to keep doing what's best, it's a different cheaper rate. Not relevant now, but i think it will be a political subject sooner or later.

So, it's not about being thin of fat. Noone wants to look like a fireplace matchstick. It's about many small choices that makes sense for each of us. Being stress free, si a big part of it. Life quality cannot be measured in how thin one is.

My working week is 37 hours plus homework, so a total of apprx. 50 hours weekly. Paid for 37 hours. That's just how it is in my line of work. Not complaining, just saying.

Kind regards,

Jacques

 

 

 

[pete]

A butcher has been called a psychopath for putting our this sign

[Dave Eds]

And 2 veg.......😁

[pete]

Heathen😋😋

[Kimbers]

I have several Vegan friends and family. And I would never try and influence them to go back to meat (Wish they would offer me the same courtesy). But just recently I had call to laugh after a Newly Vegan Friend got ill. And for the next 3 months stayed ill and got worse.

After spending thousands in taxpayers money at the GP and having tests at Hospital they were finally diagnosed with....... Veganism. They hadn't told their doctor about going Vegan as "Its a healthy lifestyle and couldn't possibly be the reason they were ill". 

It appears, like many (mainly older people) that his body just can't take a vegan diet.

I have several friends who have gone vegan and suffered mentally as well. This because their diet isn't planned well enough and a shortage of Amino Acids causes imbalance in the brain and the chemicals it produces. But nearly all of them, when this is pointed out, say its not possible and Veganism is healthy and makes them happier. 

The upshot is that the Human body needs supplements to go on a Vegan Diet. Just how natural is it!!!?

[ChrisJ]

 

[pete]

[DaveC72]